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    What happened to reason?

    Is there anyone out there who can rationalise the crazy, nutters in the Lib Dem party who literally have the word "DEMOCRAT" in their name yet have a stance whereby they WILL NOT IN ANY WAY accept the result of the people voting for Brexit - should we ever have a second referendum.

    This loony, waste of space - "NO MORE TUITION FEES" - party has a 20% rating with two-faced Chukky Ummuna in front grid position......

    Jo Swinson is the craziest, off the radar, politician since Anne Soubre was elected.

    No wonder Britain is heading for the knackers yard and it is not a joke.

    What do you think to this crazy, irrational, nutty, mental modus operandi of conducting politics.

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    PS: I have worked out the scam. . . This is all organised by the Establishment elite working with the very powerful in the EU.
    The scam is that LIb DEms and Labour will stand for hard REMAIN in EU and thus in an election they will say that a big swing to their stance on EU will actually mean that THIS WILL BE the second referendum and be accepted as a vote to remain in EU. The democratic vote in the referendum 2016 will no longer count and Britain will stay in the EU via a corrupt, lying bunch of politicians and this is the plan.

    Farages BP is part of the plan.. he is the created opposition to knock out the real opposition as was which was UKIP... Farage will play the system whereas Gerard Batten did not... UKIP will not. Our MSM has operated a campaign to destroy UKIP lead by Farage.

    So we have two created camps Farage and Torys versus this charade from Lib Dems and Labour which in effect will be a second referendum via an election and this will be the split and circumvention of the 2016 referendum result.

    Britain is in a terrible state and will never recover if the referendum of 2016 is circumvented in a malicious, nasty strategy we now see before us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano View Post
    So we have two created camps Farage and Torys versus this charade from Lib Dems and Labour which in effect will be a second referendum via an election and this will be the split and circumvention of the 2016 referendum result.

    Britain is in a terrible state and will never recover if the referendum of 2016 is circumvented in a malicious, nasty strategy we now see before us.
    We need a second referendum! In 2016, the electorate voted without any details provided. 'Brexit is Brexit' anyone? Now people know a lot more about the problems that will be created by the stupidity of leaving the EU. In 2019 Opinion Polls have invariably shown a a Remain lead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templa...:_Remain-Leave Many voters have obviously moved from Leave to Remain as the dire consequences of leaving become common knowledge.
    The selfish, inward looking leavers need to look at themselves. They so obviously do not understand that being in an organisation like the EU means WORKING WITH other members for the good of all. The Brits don't understand this and complain about paying in money to help the weaker countries. They think that Britain should get its way all the time. That is just not how the system works.
    As views have changed, testing public opinion again must be undertaken. It is no good harking back to 2016 and what was a slim UK majority.
    My country voted overwhelmingly to Remain. Because of that slim Leave UK result, we Scots find ourselves being dragged out against our will. Democracy is dead!

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    If you are making an argument for the return of reason, posts with big capital letters and insults in them probably isn't the best start.

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    MORAYLOON................ "The selfish, inward looking leavers need to look at themselves. They so obviously do not understand ............."

    I can assure you I understood every single thing to do with leaving the EU and to do that you have to know all about being a member of the EU.
    I have never once said or inferred that a remain voter did not understand... lets give you due respect and assume you did understand... that means then you went to the voting booth in full comprendo. However, you absolutely did not comprehend the meaning of democracy. Or as I prefer - you did understand (remainers/remoaners) but feel so bad you lost the vote you are willing to trade integrity to get your own way.

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    If this hadn't been written by Pano I would have assumed it was satire. For someone who seems to think a no deal Brexit is a good idea your capacity to recognise reason is questionable to say the least.

    The Lib Dems have been clear that they will revoke article 50 if they secure a parliamentary majority on the next GE, assuming Brexit hasn't already happened. If such a situation arises (Granted its unlikely) then they would have a clear democratic mandate for revoking A50.

    How on earth is that undemocratic? Especially when leavers view a Con/BP majority as evidence of support for Brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano View Post
    Is there anyone out there who can rationalise the crazy, nutters in the Lib Dem party who literally have the word "DEMOCRAT" in their name yet have a stance whereby they WILL NOT IN ANY WAY accept the result of the people voting for Brexit - should we ever have a second referendum.

    This loony, waste of space - "NO MORE TUITION FEES" - party has a 20% rating with two-faced Chukky Ummuna in front grid position......

    Jo Swinson is the craziest, off the radar, politician since Anne Soubre was elected.

    No wonder Britain is heading for the knackers yard and it is not a joke.

    What do you think to this crazy, irrational, nutty, mental modus operandi of conducting politics.
    Well, it occurs to me every single marx inspired totalitarian regieme has the word 'democratic' somewhere near the word "Republic" in its name ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano View Post
    What happened to reason?
    Politicians began spelling it with a t. Now they're all very treasonable.
    those princes have accomplished most who paid little heed to keeping their promises, but who knew how to manipulate the minds of men craftily.

    Machiavelli, The Prince

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    Quote Originally Posted by morayloon View Post
    We need a second referendum! In 2016, the electorate voted without any details provided. 'Brexit is Brexit' anyone? Now people know a lot more about the problems that will be created by the stupidity of leaving the EU. In 2019 Opinion Polls have invariably shown a a Remain lead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templa...:_Remain-Leave Many voters have obviously moved from Leave to Remain as the dire consequences of leaving become common knowledge.
    The selfish, inward looking leavers need to look at themselves. They so obviously do not understand that being in an organisation like the EU means WORKING WITH other members for the good of all. The Brits don't understand this and complain about paying in money to help the weaker countries. They think that Britain should get its way all the time. That is just not how the system works.
    As views have changed, testing public opinion again must be undertaken. It is no good harking back to 2016 and what was a slim UK majority.
    My country voted overwhelmingly to Remain. Because of that slim Leave UK result, we Scots find ourselves being dragged out against our will. Democracy is dead!
    Dont agree with you moray , and probably for one of the first times on this forum.

    You need to think what you are saying .

    Did our referendum in 2014 get overturned after all the dark money better together received , or the severe lies they told us to vote no ?Many in scotland voted no without all the details being provided by better together of what remain in the uk looked like.

    We were told to suck it up and get on with it.

    If the english remianers get a second referednum based on cheating and lies , then we are first in the queue to get the 2014 referendum overturned.
    "Pour l’Angleterre … il n’y a pas d’alliance qui tienne, ni de traité qui vaille, ni la vérité qui compte." Charles De Gaulle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano View Post
    What do you think to this crazy, irrational, nutty, mental modus operandi of conducting politics.
    Prorogation of Parliament for political advantage is just totally wrong and undemocratic. The sooner the nation gets a chance to vote on a new and sensible future the better. You asked the question, there's my answer.
    29,089,259 people did not say LEAVE

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