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    Quote Originally Posted by T00ts View Post
    Keep the faith - the electorate are waiting in the wings.
    Go girl!!!!

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    I don't believe the disconnect between Westminster and the people is any greater now than it has been at other times. I know this is really about Brexit and the marginal will off the people as expressed on a day 3 years and 2 months ago. Westminster is pro-remain but more to the point now it's against a no-deal Brexit. We simply don't know for sure whether the people still want to leave the EU, particularly if it's a no-deal situation. But now we have a new 'unelected' prime minister with no working majority who's been defeated on all 6 votes that have occurred during his 6 weeks in office. This has spun off an additional constitutional crisis - a prime minister who, statistically, shouldn't still be in office, using any trick he can to by-pass Parliament, on the basis of that marginal vote over 3 years ago. If he gets away with this, another minority PM could pull the same stunt on the basis that he or she had a majority at the previous election before several MPs died, or had to stand down because of scandals, or defected to other parties!

    Keep the faith - the electorate are waiting in the wings.
    Well, yes. As a remainer I can agree with that. Don't know which 'side' would win but at least we ought to find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperduck Quack Quack View Post
    I don't believe the disconnect between Westminster and the people is any greater now than it has been at other times. I know this is really about Brexit and the marginal will off the people as expressed on a day 3 years and 2 months ago. Westminster is pro-remain but more to the point now it's against a no-deal Brexit. We simply don't know for sure whether the people still want to leave the EU, particularly if it's a no-deal situation. But now we have a new 'unelected' prime minister with no working majority who's been defeated on all 6 votes that have occurred during his 6 weeks in office. This has spun off an additional constitutional crisis - a prime minister who, statistically, shouldn't still be in office, using any trick he can to by-pass Parliament, on the basis of that marginal vote over 3 years ago. If he gets away with this, another minority PM could pull the same stunt on the basis that he or she had a majority at the previous election before several MPs died, or had to stand down because of scandals, or defected to other parties!



    Well, yes. As a remainer I can agree with that. Don't know which 'side' would win but at least we ought to find out.
    Well what we may well be facing late this year or early next year, is a general election which will be won by the Conservatives if they manage to unite the entire pro leave vote to them.

    Unfortunately although it's impossible to predict with anything close to high probabilities, the most likely outcome at this point is that we will have a Conservative majority government carrying out a no deal Brexit who received about 35% of the vote.

    Meanwhile, about 55-60% of people will have voted for parties that wanted to cancel Brexit, but their vote will be split.

    We will then be told by posters on here that this is all perfectly democratic and normal, and 35% of the vote constitutes the will of the UK people to go ahead with no deal.

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    I dont understand why the SNP (a socialist party) its very purpose for existing, for total independence... is so headstrong for staying in the EU. Scottish people gain from a number of free services - free dental treatment - free higher education - free hospital car parking - much more free stuff paid for by the rest of Britain. (the English in particular) what the hell is it the SNP is after. They will destroy Scotland. I get the "will of the people" thing but there is no way Scotland will be better off without Britain. Look at Greece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano View Post
    I dont understand why the SNP (a socialist party) its very purpose for existing, for total independence... is so headstrong for staying in the EU. Scottish people gain from a number of free services - free dental treatment - free higher education - free hospital car parking - much more free stuff paid for by the rest of Britain. (the English in particular) what the hell is it the SNP is after. They will destroy Scotland. I get the "will of the people" thing but there is no way Scotland will be better off without Britain. Look at Greece.
    Is this satire?

    Absolutely hillarious that you think the SNP are mad when you want the UK to do the same in regards to our membership of the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano View Post
    I dont understand why the SNP (a socialist party) its very purpose for existing, for total independence... is so headstrong for staying in the EU. Scottish people gain from a number of free services - free dental treatment - free higher education - free hospital car parking - much more free stuff paid for by the rest of Britain. (the English in particular) what the hell is it the SNP is after. They will destroy Scotland. I get the "will of the people" thing but there is no way Scotland will be better off without Britain. Look at Greece.
    In fairness Trucker has a point.....of sorts,I want Scotland to stay with us however would it not be the height of hypocrisy to deny them the self determination which we seek,if they vote to end the union then that's it,it's over
    The new parliamentary democracy,it's not the will of the people that counts but the will of 650......will come back to haunt them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cromwell View Post
    In fairness Trucker has a point.....of sorts,I want Scotland to stay with us however would it not be the height of hypocrisy to deny them the self determination which we seek,if they vote to end the union then that's it,it's over
    Oh no not another agreement to churn out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cromwell View Post
    In fairness Trucker has a point.....of sorts,I want Scotland to stay with us however would it not be the height of hypocrisy to deny them the self determination which we seek,if they vote to end the union then that's it,it's over
    I'm in the same boat as you. I would prefer Scotland stays a part of the UK but as an Englishman and therefore an outsider I respect their right to self-determination and wouldn't interfere in what is domestic Scottish issue.

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    Goodbye Scotland stop moaning just leave the union and work on your new independent state.... Oh, I nearly forgot.... you are joined with the EU un-elected EU Commissioners. I wish you well. Perhaps my tax payments will be reduced.
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    TRUKHARI > You are having difficulty grasping the reality of the matter. Remember satire is wholly based upon truth. The UK is Scotland. I think they should honour the referendum decision - vote to leave. The SNP being the only true socialist party in the UK is dishing out ALL manner of free services - Hospital Parking - Dental Treatment - Higher Education, to name but a few. But of course, I am paying for it.
    I speak as a person respecting the right for the Scots people to set their own destiny. Of course, if and when they leave the UK union and stick with the EU we will soon see how much free stuff they can continue to provide. Hence my GREEK reference. The EU will screw the Scottish people to the deck.
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