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    Quote Originally Posted by johnofgwent View Post
    Well, if Eire had not decided to declare UDI a century ago and kill british citizens to get it, it would not be in this state would it.
    Seriously?...you're going there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnofgwent View Post
    Well, you know my opinion of the Irish.

    The problem is a simple one, the backstop hands total control of our leaving the EU to the European union, whose presidium includes people who are on record as saying we must be crucified for leaving, for unless we are, others whose economies have been shafted even harder than our own, whose youth are far more unemployed than our own, whose future has been pissed even further up the wall than ours has, will say f**k this we're out of here.

    It's not rocket science

    As for a link for my claim that we were offered a free trade deal and May rejected it ........

    I saw it on a BBC News Page, but they dont like pro-brexit stuff hanging around, so you might have to put up with this

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...e-Baker-latest
    I thought that might be what you are referring to.

    Note: it claims the EU offered a FTA to the UK with "close alignment".....

    What do you think "close alignment" means?.....

    It would mean the UK remaining in the CU and SM at least to the extent that it solved the NI border and preferably (from the EU PoV) closer

    In an alternate universe May accepted that offer and Brexiters are now raging that the FTA is unacceptable because "it's not really leaving" and talking about how she should have gone for a WA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    Seriously?...you're going there?
    It has about as much validity as the premier of a sovereign nation formed by secession from our union being allowed to.piss on the majority decision of the people they chose to secede from to secede from a union they do not like.
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    "The Inland Revenue is not slow, and quite rightly, to take every advantage which is open to it under the Taxing Statutes for the purposes of depleting the taxpayer's pocket. And the taxpayer is in like manner entitled to be astute to prevent, so far as he honestly can, the depletion of his means by the Inland Revenue"

    Lord Clyde: "Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services V Inland Revenue, 1929"

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnofgwent View Post
    Well, if Eire had not decided to declare UDI a century ago and kill british citizens to get it, it would not be in this state would it.
    Wtf are you acrually serious?? Deluded farcical and downright idiotic

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnofgwent View Post
    It has about as much validity as the premier of a sovereign nation formed by secession from our union being allowed to.piss on the majority decision of the people they chose to secede from to secede from a union they do not like.
    Who is the premier doing this?? I didnt know Theresa May had led England out of the Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnofgwent View Post
    It has about as much validity as the premier of a sovereign nation formed by secession from our union being allowed to.piss on the majority decision of the people they chose to secede from to secede from a union they do not like.
    True enough. Ireland got home rule in 1912 and celebrated by storming the Dublin Post Office four years later. Maybe someone forgot to tell Paddy Peas or maybe he wasn't very bright, but there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borchester View Post
    True enough. Ireland got home rule in 1912 and celebrated by storming the Dublin Post Office four years later. Maybe someone forgot to tell Paddy Peas or maybe he wasn't very bright, but there you go.
    Ireland didnt win home rule in 1912 they won a promise for it, a promise that went unfulfilled for 4 years until paddy peas as you like to disrespectfully call my fellow irish men decided enough was enough.

    Amazingly now the same people think a promise will be good enough for the north.

    Can you or John name this premier that you speak of or are you going to continue not incorrectly recounting irish history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnofgwent View Post
    It has about as much validity as the premier of a sovereign nation formed by secession from our union being allowed to.piss on the majority decision of the people they chose to secede from to secede from a union they do not like.
    Have you thought this through?

    If the UK "secedes" from the EU, will you frown on it's government making a decision based on the wishes of *it's* electorate rather than the electorate of the remaining countries of the Union it seceded from?

    This cuts to the heart of Brexiter thinking.

    Somehow the government's of other nations are being difficult because they pursue a course that they deem best for their voters rather than what is best for brexiters.

    If you dislike Ireland at the moment you are going to be in for a real lesson.

    Right not Brussels mediates a dispute between two member states. It cannot show favourites.

    Post Brexit the EU will be backing an EU member against an non-EU member.

    You can expect the full weight of the EU to be behind Ireland's interests and not the UKs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumblinB View Post
    Ireland didnt win home rule in 1912 they won a promise for it, a promise that went unfulfilled for 4 years until paddy peas as you like to disrespectfully call my fellow irish men decided enough was enough.

    Amazingly now the same people think a promise will be good enough for the north.

    Can you or John name this premier that you speak of or are you going to continue not incorrectly recounting irish history?
    A little thing called WWi occured in the middle so it was agreed to suspend the introduction of Home Rule until the fuss was over. It was pretty much a given that the British was pretty sick of Ireland and that it would be the first part of the Empire to be dumped. Ireland was only important because it provided a launch pad for foreign invasions. It certainly never produced much in the way of income and its only other use was as a source of second rate peerages for various British politicians.

    Left to its own devices Ireland would probably have been independent by the mid 1920s anyway, but Paddy the Peabrain wanted his few seconds of glory so there you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conchúr View Post
    And to repeat again, simply not installing infrastructure at the border is not honouring the commitment. The UK's commitment was to avoid a hard border -- so simply walking off with No Deal and making no provision for dealing with the border -- thus forcing Ireland / EU to foot the consequences -- would be contrary to what the UK has pledged.
    If neither side build any additional infrastructure at the border how does that mean they are not honoring their commitments? - you are making no sense.


    The EU has said it will consider technological solutions to the border. This represents absolutely no change whatsoever in the EU's stance -- indeed, they drew up the Smart Border 2.0 dossier on possible technological solutions to the Irish border long before David Davis' Magic Clown Circus came up with anything even remotely coherent. The EU was always open to technological solutions, but simply pointed out that the possible solutions wouldn't be able to be implemented in time ------ hence why the backstop was suggested . . . .
    So we will see what they do after the 31st Oct. If these technological solutions magically appear as the reports suggest then it shows that the whole backstop saga was simply a political stunt to give the EU more power.

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