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    Smile Trumps Huawei Threat Is the Nuclear Option to Halt Chinas Rise

    1. The Trump administration is pulling out the big guns in its push to slow China’s rise, with potentially devastating consequences for the rest of the world.....

    The threat is likely to elevate fears in Beijing that President Donald Trump’s broader goal is to contain China, leading to a protracted cold war between the world’s biggest economies. In addition to a trade fight that has rattled global markets for months, the U.S. has pressured both allies and foes to avoid using Huawei for 5G networks that will form the backbone of the modern economy....

    2. When a country's survival is threatened by a ruthless enemy which uses the "nuclear" option to demolish its high-tech industry, will it sit idly by without any retaliation?

    Using an analogy, if a phantom hands a rope to a man after harassing him for many nights, will the victim lose all his resolve to live and obediently hang himself without a fight? Does he still have delusions that the devil is joking and will have mercy on him in the last minute?

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    All China needs to do is call in the $3 trillion, debt America owes China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    All China needs to do is call in the $3 trillion, debt America owes China.
    Did you know that in China the Chinese annual budget surplus is a point of concern for the country? It appears they are earning money faster than they are able to invest it, hence you will see the opposite as the country tries to spend its surplus it intends to increase the level of foreign investment. America will not see its debt called in, but see its debt get larger and to pay the interest it will have sell more stuff to the Chinese.
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    I've just found out that Google's Android has locked Huawei's hardware from using it. Apparently if you are a hardware manufacturer you have to get a licence to enable Android to run on your machine. This is American protectionism in play here. The whole idea of locking out manufacturers from your software is as dodgy as hell to start with, but normal for the American computer industry, as it has been highly protectionist since it started. This is why the open source and Linux have taken off in a big way.

    Now you might think Google is king, but wait. Chinese don't use it. Their browser homepage is Baidu.

    Baidu, Inc. (Chinese: ; pinyin: Bǎid, anglicized /ˈbaɪduː/ BY-doo) is a Chinese multinational technology company specializing in Internet-related services and products and artificial intelligence (AI), headquartered in Beijing's Haidian District.[6] It is one of the largest AI and internet companies in the world. The holding company of the group is incorporated in the Cayman Islands.[7] Baidu was incorporated in January 2000 by Robin Li and Eric Xu. Baidu is currently ranked 4th overall in the Alexa Internet rankings.[8][9]

    Baidu's Global Business Unit, formed under the name of DU Group or DU Apps Studio, is an app developer with various apps and services. It has over 2 billion active users worldwide. Baidu also provides an official international and Chinese version of its online digital distribution services Baidu App Store and Shouji Baidu respectively, both hosting downloadable content and applications. Baidu's advertisement platform is DU Ad Platform.

    Baidu's Apollo Project is one of the world's leading autonomous driving and AI programs, with one of the largest partner ecosystems and over 100 global partners as of 2018, including BYD, Dongfeng, Microsoft, Intel, Nvidia, Daimler AG,[10] ZTE, Grab, Ford, Hyundai and Honda.[11][12][13]
    Baidu has the second largest search engine in the world, and held a 76.05% market share in China's search engine market. In December 2007, Baidu became the first Chinese company to be included in the NASDAQ-100 index.[14] As of May 2018, Baidu's market cap rose to US$99 billion.[15][16][17] In October 2018, Baidu became the first Chinese firm to join the United States-based computer ethics consortium Partnership on AI.[18]
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    Are they brewing up their own operating system?

    One day this move will end up as two types of phone in the shops. The one type will be an Android machine, and the other type a Baidu machine. The latter will cost a fraction of the price and blow the other one out completely by the spec. It will be totally private as well and never go wrong. One reason perhaps the Google phone of the future would cost more is because they have to shop in China for their manufacturing. Think about that one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov View Post
    I've just found out that Google's Android has locked Huawei's hardware from using it. Apparently if you are a hardware manufacturer you have to get a licence to enable Android to run on your machine. This is American protectionism in play here. The whole idea of locking out manufacturers from your software is as dodgy as hell to start with, but normal for the American computer industry, as it has been highly protectionist since it started. This is why the open source and Linux have taken off in a big way.

    Now you might think Google is king, but wait. Chinese don't use it. Their browser homepage is Baidu.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu

    Are they brewing up their own operating system?

    One day this move will end up as two types of phone in the shops. The one type will be an Android machine, and the other type a Baidu machine. The latter will cost a fraction of the price and blow the other one out completely by the spec. It will be totally private as well and never go wrong. One reason perhaps the Google phone of the future would cost more is because they have to shop in China for their manufacturing. Think about that one!
    It is worth pointing out that Google have already quadrupled the price to European phone retailers of the licence to incorporate the google apps in the phone, thanks to the EU "regulating" the way they use their muscle.

    As I am sure you know, there have been "open source" equivalents of android, the cyanogen project and its later spinoffs, but these are dying thanks mainly to the insistence (for the best of reasons) of financial apps of having an unrooted phone with a stock rom.

    While I know that online banking systems are slowly opening their systems to accept transactions from third party apps, I am far from convinced that I would want to allow such an application access to my account, and if you think I'm letting a third party product installed from a chinese - friendly repository have access, man oh man you have another think coming

    So I guess this is where my online journey ends, with my current 3G and 4G products
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    Lord Clyde: "Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services V Inland Revenue, 1929"

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnofgwent View Post
    It is worth pointing out that Google have already quadrupled the price to European phone retailers of the licence to incorporate the google apps in the phone, thanks to the EU "regulating" the way they use their muscle.

    As I am sure you know, there have been "open source" equivalents of android, the cyanogen project and its later spinoffs, but these are dying thanks mainly to the insistence (for the best of reasons) of financial apps of having an unrooted phone with a stock rom.

    While I know that online banking systems are slowly opening their systems to accept transactions from third party apps, I am far from convinced that I would want to allow such an application access to my account, and if you think I'm letting a third party product installed from a chinese - friendly repository have access, man oh man you have another think coming

    So I guess this is where my online journey ends, with my current 3G and 4G products
    I do admit I'm completely out of touch with these phones as I never use them myself, but from what you say, it looks like the regs the EU impose are free market regs, e.g. the really powerful one is 'One must not do anything which distorts the market'. Google's "free" operating system is of course only "free" because their principle way of making a profit is to distort the market, and locking out competitors is just such a thing the EU doesn't like, hence they have to raise their price to make a profit.

    Indeed I'm totally with the EU here. The free market founding principle the EU is built upon came from us in the very early stages of the formation of the EU, when we really only had to haggle with France and Germany to get it the way we wanted, and Britain at that time was very capitalist in comparison to our EU neighbours on the mainland, and we got our way on that one. The way the Americans do business is an anathema to my business philosophy. I like the Chinese because they follow our old ways, and they like to be open in business. There's no such thing as intellectual property in China, rather they share good ideas.

    Now Baidu is doing autonomous cars and they are running things on this but have a lot of Western firms signed up as well. It looks like they are deadly serious as well and the technology they have is ready to start production just about. I'll have to take a closer look, but I did a quick look on the Apollo site and clearly it is a Chinese led project, but something struck me about it. On the main page with about six or so pictures of roads, I see a London underground sign! It's usually very unPC to feature Britain in global advertising, but to me it is a reminder of what the Chinese think, and it is one of respect. They very much disrespect American business morality, but they do not see us as Americans. They are saying, come to us and work with us.

    By the way, if Western banks wont accept Baidu hardware/software/Huawei chips or whatever, then of course you know what will happen. You'll get your Baidu phone and get an account with a Chinese bank. Then it will be Western retailers don't accept money from Chinese banks. A dangerous response could follow.

    You see every protectionist wall is too small to do the job.
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    Well I saw or read a piece that the Chinese have the largest deposits of heavy rare earths vital to various US interests and are threatening supply.
    Anyway here's a link https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...de-war-deepens
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    Quote Originally Posted by cromwell View Post
    Well I saw or read a piece that the Chinese have the largest deposits of heavy rare earths vital to various US interests and are threatening supply.
    Anyway here's a link https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...de-war-deepens
    China has many ways to hit back at the US such as:

    1. Banning all Chinese tourists from going to the US. As a result, casinos in Las Vegas could be half empty, and US hotel bosses would be groaning about loss of business.

    2. Banning all Chinese students from studying in the US, and diverting them to European universities instead. This may result in the closure of many US universities, particularly those in the category of the defunct Trump University. Teachers and professors would be demonstrating in the streets against the Trump administration about the loss of jobs.

    3. Ignoring US sanctions against Iran and North Korea by going all out to trade and invest in the two countries.

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