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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov View Post
    I'd say it is a good time to start up negotiations and pull that stupid warship out of China as a sign of trust and goodwill.
    I don't think the vessel was even deployed — it seems it was a stupid statement by UK defence secretary, Gavin Williamson, that scuppered scheduled trade talks...

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1Q314G
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman Post View Post
    I don't think the vessel was even deployed — it seems it was a stupid statement by UK defence secretary, Gavin Williamson, that scuppered scheduled trade talks...

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1Q314G
    The idiot was talking about deploying a Carrier which is a pointless gesture given that they are not yet Operational and have no Aircraft to fly off them.
    Not that it would make that much difference if it did. The Chinese Navy is well versed to dealing with US Warships in the South China Seas and they would do the same thing to the Royal Navy.
    Further of course if a single CBG entered the CSC in hot confrontation, its life expectancy could probably be measured in minutes.

    That aside I would say that OBOR will be one of the greatest human endeavours of the 21st Century (probably the greatest in the early century). The idea of not being involved in a positive way is madness. This project is about connecting the whole Africa//Eurasian landmass in continuous transport and infrastructure links. It is about more than just roads, railways and ports. It is also about Water, Power, Industrial Parks and whole new cities, with Primary developments becoming regional and local hubs for further localised development.
    It will be quite something when it gets into full swing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I avoid Chinese goods as far as possible because of their awful human rights record.
    I hear you are parroting the official line.

    When you repeat the term human rights, Exactly what do you really mean? Are you for example concerned about the lack of political correctness in China? Do you not like the fact you can't be Chinese unless you have Chinese parents? What about if you were homosexual? Would you feel that Stonewall should be allowed to campaign in China? Ditto for Hope not Hate, Greenpeace etc etc?

    My personal experience is the average Chinese company (since I buy directly from them) is that they are far more honest than the average British one. It's what you don't know which is where your problem occurs. You don't know how decent they are, and how much they honour trust and goodwill. China has the world's largest Christian population. You will buy from Britain, who works with America to start more wars than any other country. Surely you are utterly hypocritical? China is angling for peace, and it hopes to achieve it through trade. Rather than smashing stuff up, China is building stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borchester View Post
    At least Judas held out for thirty pieces of silver, but Patman has settled for a Chinese fridge. Remainers really do come cheap.
    The average price I pay for electronic goods in China is 20% of what they cost in the West. They rarely fail. In fact on closer inspection you can see they are years ahead in technology than their British counterpart.

    Postman Pat has his head screwed on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov View Post
    The average price I pay for electronic goods in China is 20% of what they cost in the West. They rarely fail. In fact on closer inspection you can see they are years ahead in technology than their British counterpart.

    Postman Pat has his head screwed on.
    Patman is a European and thus his opinion does not count. That said, if the project is going ahead, it would be nice if some of the loans were raised in the City.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov View Post
    I hear you are parroting the official line.

    When you repeat the term human rights, Exactly what do you really mean? Are you for example concerned about the lack of political correctness in China? Do you not like the fact you can't be Chinese unless you have Chinese parents? What about if you were homosexual? Would you feel that Stonewall should be allowed to campaign in China? Ditto for Hope not Hate, Greenpeace etc etc?

    My personal experience is the average Chinese company (since I buy directly from them) is that they are far more honest than the average British one. It's what you don't know which is where your problem occurs. You don't know how decent they are, and how much they honour trust and goodwill. China has the world's largest Christian population. You will buy from Britain, who works with America to start more wars than any other country. Surely you are utterly hypocritical? China is angling for peace, and it hopes to achieve it through trade. Rather than smashing stuff up, China is building stuff.
    No, it's the way they put Muslims into correction camps, make them eat pork and try to brainwash their beliefs out of them.
    And they arrested 2 people from our church when they went out there to help provide bibles and to speak and encourage a church meeting.
    Then go back a bit and see why a Google search of "Tiananmen Square" is blocked in China.
    Those sort of human rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    No, it's the way they put Muslims into correction camps, make them eat pork and try to brainwash their beliefs out of them.
    And they arrested 2 people from our church when they went out there to help provide bibles and to speak and encourage a church meeting.
    Then go back a bit and see why a Google search of "Tiananmen Square" is blocked in China.
    Those sort of human rights.
    I agree with you, but China sounds pretty much as disgusting as a lot of other countries we deal with. So I hope that the deal goes through and the loans are raised in London as well as Frankfurt, Zurich and New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borchester View Post
    Patman is a European and thus his opinion does not count. That said, if the project is going ahead, it would be nice if some of the loans were raised in the City.
    The City wont touch it. The Western banks work in unison. I think a lot has to do with American pressure, and if you think about it, the City is like a part of Wall Street almost, in that they work together. You see the problem for them is that it is not under their control. It's China's project and China will design it in a logical manner, so if a port needs to be in a certain place it will be built there, assuming the country agrees. However, more often than not they find countries do agree. The attraction is huge wealth development along its routes, and in the proximity of its major terminals.

    They do not need the City, and China is a very an in-credit country. As you might have noticed, they are on the lookout for foreign investments worldwide, simply because they have so much investment cash that it can't all profitably be spent in China. China already has 21st century transport infrastructure anyway. Also the thing is that if you have investment partners they will want some of the control over it, hence it becomes muddled and bureaucratic. A big attraction is that it is not, and this is typical Chinese business style. The keep things simple and efficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    No, it's the way they put Muslims into correction camps, make them eat pork and try to brainwash their beliefs out of them.
    And they arrested 2 people from our church when they went out there to help provide bibles and to speak and encourage a church meeting.
    Then go back a bit and see why a Google search of "Tiananmen Square" is blocked in China.
    Those sort of human rights.
    Don't you realise though that why it is the way it is in China is because the Chinese population very much like their traditions. They do not wish to become Westernised or converted to Islam, and generally they have a pretty low view of them anyway. They have never had democracy and the whole idea to them is completely foreign(Greek actually). Think back through its history and it has always been ruled by dynasties. They probably see them as we see our queen. The only time problems really occurred was when Mao took over, but you probably do not realise that Mao got his ideas from the British. He admired the British intellectual establishment and applied a philosophy which originated in this country.

    So what you must do is when you are a guest of a country, is you must go by their rules. If you set up a woman's rights centre in China you are going to end up in deep trouble and will probably go to prison. It's called respect. They don't want to you do politics in China and you don't do it. If you think you will just be the kind of guest that disobeys the host then that's your lookout. Those who do are political martyrs and completely and utterly stupid. They are often students!

    Go there with the right attitude though and you will find them very friendly. They really like the British and you'll be popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borchester View Post
    Patman is a European and thus his opinion does not count. That said, if the project is going ahead, it would be nice if some of the loans were raised in the City.
    As Italy appears to have signed up, Germany already trades extensively with China, and Chinese goods are widely available in the UK, being English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, or all-encompassing European, Beijing seems irrespectively hot to trot in trade...
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