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    UKIP: Gerard Batten says Nigel Farage trying to 'discredit' party

    The BBC reports UKIP leader Gerard Batten accuses his predecessor of smears as he defends links to Tommy Robinson.


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    Well, his choice of candidates round here smears him far mire than any external agency might
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    There appears to be two distinct political markets. The one is the market that was supplied by the BNP, which is working class nationalists, and the other is the right of the Tory Party. Since the Tories have gone socialist this would have at one time been the centre of the party.

    The UKIP has been a strange beast. It started off right of the Tory Party, but I think after Paul Nuttall took over it decided it was going to appeal to the working class as well. Now in theory this sounds like a good idea to max your vote out, but in practice it rarely works. As you recruit ex-Labour and Liberal politicians then you oppose the main core of support, and you end up directionless and looking really muddled, coz you are really muddled when you try and run a democratic party with socialists and capitalists in equal measures. I guess I was warmly for the idea, but the thing was the more you max them the more superficial you have to be in order to not upset the two opposing ideologies. The one thing in common was leaving the EU, and to this extent it worked.

    OK so something Farage said which I've been saying for ages but is now crystal clear is, you have to select your candidates on ability. The ones in power are hopeless and proved to be so, hence your line of attack is on competence. You need the best brains. The best brains do not sell very well to start with. They are not PR men and come across as rather boring to many. Where they win is when they make a prediction on the box and later on that prediction turns out to be spot on. It's the slow but steady growth strategy, but pays off in the end.

    Farage could never have sorted the UKIP out. In the end it was behaving like a bunch of monkeys. Gerard is clearly looking to fill the gap in the market where the BNP left off, and I have to say, Nick Griffin did a fine job of pulling that party out of the dumps and giving Labour a real nightmare. Good luck on that Gerard! That's like taking the rocky mountain road. It's dangerous, but fun.
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    How can a charlatan discredit the remains of the party he once led?

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    Quote Originally Posted by albertcornercrew View Post
    How can a charlatan discredit the remains of the party he once led?
    If you are referring to the hero, Farage, who gave us a democratic vote on the EU, he doesn't really need to.
    UKIP are doing a perfectly good job of discrediting themselves with the appointment of a person "banned from joining the party membership" as an adviser.
    New Brexit party seems OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    If you are referring to the hero, Farage, who gave us a democratic vote on the EU, he doesn't really need to.
    UKIP are doing a perfectly good job of discrediting themselves with the appointment of a person "banned from joining the party membership" as an adviser.
    Hero? More like a self publicist who performs for the cameras. Still, even the most foolish clowns have their following despite their obvious flaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albertcornercrew View Post
    Hero? More like a self publicist who performs for the cameras. Still, even the most foolish clowns have their following despite their obvious flaws.
    He won the last EU elections, Albert, whether you like it or not.
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    Now he has alienated a large chunk of his voters by conforming to the establishment mantra that many of them are to be treated as 'vermin'. In my opinion, The Brexit Party exists because the UKIP didn't die as planned, and would have received a lot of votes from both Labour and Tories. Farage will be as useful as the SDP were to Labour and little more than a pin up boy in the MSM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    If you are referring to the hero, Farage, who gave us a democratic vote on the EU, he doesn't really need to.
    UKIP are doing a perfectly good job of discrediting themselves with the appointment of a person "banned from joining the party membership" as an adviser.
    When Farage took over there was an eruption of corruption in the party. Many long-term members left over it. I know, because I spoke with a few of them. Under Farage the UKIP went from small Eurosceptic party to superstar in the MSM. I don't think Farage ever truly left the Tories, and was apparently guided by establishment anti-whatever organisations to help win over the MSM.

    I too chose not to really believe it, and thought that it was a lie to bring doubt into the party, but today it makes sense. I don't believe Leave was meant to win that referendum, and even Farage said he didn't believe it would just prior to the results coming through. I think it was meant to lose and the UKIP was meant to collapse soon after. Why else would Farage leave the party at such a critical and important time? He knew that Article 50 had too many unknowns associated with it to believe it was a done deal. It had never been tried before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebirth View Post
    Now he has alienated a large chunk of his voters by conforming to the establishment mantra that many of them are to be treated as 'vermin'. In my opinion, The Brexit Party exists because the UKIP didn't die as planned, and would have received a lot of votes from both Labour and Tories. Farage will be as useful as the SDP were to Labour and little more than a pin up boy in the MSM.


    When Farage took over there was an eruption of corruption in the party. Many long-term members left over it. I know, because I spoke with a few of them. Under Farage the UKIP went from small Eurosceptic party to superstar in the MSM. I don't think Farage ever truly left the Tories, and was apparently guided by establishment anti-whatever organisations to help win over the MSM.

    I too chose not to really believe it, and thought that it was a lie to bring doubt into the party, but today it makes sense. I don't believe Leave was meant to win that referendum, and even Farage said he didn't believe it would just prior to the results coming through. I think it was meant to lose and the UKIP was meant to collapse soon after. Why else would Farage leave the party at such a critical and important time? He knew that Article 50 had too many unknowns associated with it to believe it was a done deal. It had never been tried before.
    I wouldn't say he has alienated any of his voters but rather given them something to put their x next to in forthcoming elections .

    UKIP had achieved their reason for being in getting a leave vote across the line and needed a new direction if they were to go forward as a political party of the future .
    That of course with the drawn out leadership contests and resignations from the party left many confused as to what they were actually members of . Under Batten the party seemed to move into or at least focus on an anti Islam stance . The appointment of Robinson as a policy advisor was a step too far for many who had not already left the party and it was not until this point that Farage left the party .

    Farage did indeed know that article 50 had too many unknowns and was in fact a trap that would keep us tied to the EU for decades . Its why UKIP had preferred to repeal the 1972 communities act to leave the EU rather than go the article 50 route .

    But we are where we are and I would say there are a lot of people out there who are party less with a growing number wanting to give the mainstream parties a broken nose let alone a bloody one . UKIP are no longer that party ,the Brexit party hopefully is .

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