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    Any guidance?

    Is there any truth to this? Currently looking at a debate between two people on social media and they said this..

    We don't get tax free goods, instead we get put of paying extra tarrifs?

    35 percent people voted in the parliamentary elections in 2014 which is 7 percent of the average across the EU. Those who did vote, voted for UKIP because they wanted to leave.

    Secondly, when we do vote it's less consequential because if we have a choice between a and b for example a lot of the time the bodies who do cast the votes need unanimity, which means they side with one another anyway and that's why we've seen integration moving so fast over the last few years against the voters will.

    Since the 70s when we joined we have seen massive industries being ruined in the U.K.; we have seen massive trade union power removed, and we have skilled work and proper labour power replaced by shopping centres and zero hour contracts.

    Any thoughts on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pietraz View Post
    Is there any truth to this? Currently looking at a debate between two people on social media and they said this..

    We don't get tax free goods, instead we get put of paying extra tarrifs?

    35 percent people voted in the parliamentary elections in 2014 which is 7 percent of the average across the EU. Those who did vote, voted for UKIP because they wanted to leave.

    Secondly, when we do vote it's less consequential because if we have a choice between a and b for example a lot of the time the bodies who do cast the votes need unanimity, which means they side with one another anyway and that's why we've seen integration moving so fast over the last few years against the voters will.

    Since the 70s when we joined we have seen massive industries being ruined in the U.K.; we have seen massive trade union power removed, and we have skilled work and proper labour power replaced by shopping centres and zero hour contracts.

    Any thoughts on this?
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    Hi Pietraz

    The UK Parliamentary elections were held in 2010, 2015 and 2017. I know because I was a candidate in one, and voted in the others

    The only place google tells me had an ekection in 2014 was India, and the USA

    There IS an EU election in 2019, and there WAS one in 2009, I was rather active in assisting a couple of candidates who won ...

    I guess therefore there must have been an EU election in 2014, and it goes some way to how much notice I took of it that (a) i don't even remember it and (b) google doesn't even show it in a search of "elections 2014" preferring instead to mention India, and the US.

    If you dig really hard you start to find this ...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014...United_Kingdom


    That page will tell you the TURNOUT in the UK was 35.6%, showing the degre to which the United Kingdom did not give a sh1t about the EU. The abysmal turnout was actually 1% UP on 2009 when the proporational representation delivered two British National Party members to Brussels and showed Ed Milliband what an arse he was.

    In the 2014 election, Cameron led the conservatives to their worst ever showing since god knows when. Comparing it to UK lelections is unfair because they are rigged First Past the Post Affairs, where unless you are of a like mind to the sitting MP in 80% of the seats, your vote is pointless as the sittinhg MP's majority is frittered away among squabbling splitters, a fact governments know which is why they are keen to keep most constituencies this way...

    The page will also tell you the largest winners were Nigel Farage and UKIP, with the pro-Eu Nick Cleggg and the Liberal Democrats being exterminated, losing 10 of their 11 seats. You may recall Clegg called himself the leader of "The Party Of In" but in fact largely because of his decision to prop up Cameron, and U turn on student tuition fees, rapidly became the party of OUT (by the boot)

    It showed overwhelmingly the British People wanted no more of the European Lies. why elese would a party dedicated to the sole aim of removing Britain from the European Union win such a substantial victory on the back of a PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION system in which almost every vote actually counted.
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    Lord Clyde: "Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services V Inland Revenue, 1929"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pietraz View Post
    Is there any truth to this? Currently looking at a debate between two people on social media and they said this..

    We don't get tax free goods, instead we get put of paying extra tarrifs?

    35 percent people voted in the parliamentary elections in 2014 which is 7 percent of the average across the EU. Those who did vote, voted for UKIP because they wanted to leave.

    Secondly, when we do vote it's less consequential because if we have a choice between a and b for example a lot of the time the bodies who do cast the votes need unanimity, which means they side with one another anyway and that's why we've seen integration moving so fast over the last few years against the voters will.

    Since the 70s when we joined we have seen massive industries being ruined in the U.K.; we have seen massive trade union power removed, and we have skilled work and proper labour power replaced by shopping centres and zero hour contracts.

    Any thoughts on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pietraz View Post
    Is there any truth to this? Currently looking at a debate between two people on social media and they said this..
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    And you believed them ? Aww there's cute

    Since the 70s when we joined we have seen massive industries being ruined in the U.K.; we have seen massive trade union power removed, and we have skilled work and proper labour power replaced by shopping centres and zero hour contracts.

    The massive destruction of what was the UK's industrial base was carried out by the most europhobic politician ever to have graced the house of commons. I can ()and will) blame the EU for many things, I cannot, regrettably, blame it for the destruction wreaked by Maggie Thatcher. I can, however, blame its less than level playing field, and its habit of allowing the french and germans to play one game while forcing others to play another, for the downward spiral in recent years ...
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    "The Inland Revenue is not slow, and quite rightly, to take every advantage which is open to it under the Taxing Statutes for the purposes of depleting the taxpayer's pocket. And the taxpayer is in like manner entitled to be astute to prevent, so far as he honestly can, the depletion of his means by the Inland Revenue"

    Lord Clyde: "Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services V Inland Revenue, 1929"

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnofgwent View Post
    Hi Pietraz

    The UK Parliamentary elections were held in 2010, 2015 and 2017. I know because I was a candidate in one, and voted in the others

    The only place google tells me had an ekection in 2014 was India, and the USA

    There IS an EU election in 2019, and there WAS one in 2009, I was rather active in assisting a couple of candidates who won ...

    I guess therefore there must have been an EU election in 2014, and it goes some way to how much notice I took of it that (a) i don't even remember it and (b) google doesn't even show it in a search of "elections 2014" preferring instead to mention India, and the US.

    If you dig really hard you start to find this ...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014...United_Kingdom


    That page will tell you the TURNOUT in the UK was 35.6%, showing the degre to which the United Kingdom did not give a sh1t about the EU. The abysmal turnout was actually 1% UP on 2009 when the proporational representation delivered two British National Party members to Brussels and showed Ed Milliband what an arse he was.

    In the 2014 election, Cameron led the conservatives to their worst ever showing since god knows when. Comparing it to UK lelections is unfair because they are rigged First Past the Post Affairs, where unless you are of a like mind to the sitting MP in 80% of the seats, your vote is pointless as the sittinhg MP's majority is frittered away among squabbling splitters, a fact governments know which is why they are keen to keep most constituencies this way...

    The page will also tell you the largest winners were Nigel Farage and UKIP, with the pro-Eu Nick Cleggg and the Liberal Democrats being exterminated, losing 10 of their 11 seats. You may recall Clegg called himself the leader of "The Party Of In" but in fact largely because of his decision to prop up Cameron, and U turn on student tuition fees, rapidly became the party of OUT (by the boot)

    It showed overwhelmingly the British People wanted no more of the European Lies. why elese would a party dedicated to the sole aim of removing Britain from the European Union win such a substantial victory on the back of a PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION system in which almost every vote actually counted.
    If the UK wants so much to leave the EU, it just needs to walk through the door.

    You could have walked at any time, the 2 years transition period is a maximum, and you also don't need a deal to leave. The UK, as a sovereign and democratic nation, can choose its own destiny.

    But it looks like you've set your path to stay on the 29th. Or maybe the parliament will finally vote for May's deal?

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    John, seriously, you stood as an MP, and didn't know that EU MEP parliament elections are every 5 yrs, seriously ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pietraz View Post
    Is there any truth to this? Currently looking at a debate between two people on social media and they said this..

    We don't get tax free goods, instead we get put of paying extra tarrifs?

    35 percent people voted in the parliamentary elections in 2014 which is 7 percent of the average across the EU. Those who did vote, voted for UKIP because they wanted to leave.

    Secondly, when we do vote it's less consequential because if we have a choice between a and b for example a lot of the time the bodies who do cast the votes need unanimity, which means they side with one another anyway and that's why we've seen integration moving so fast over the last few years against the voters will.

    Since the 70s when we joined we have seen massive industries being ruined in the U.K.; we have seen massive trade union power removed, and we have skilled work and proper labour power replaced by shopping centres and zero hour contracts.

    Any thoughts on this?
    Tariffs are tax. The UK govt puts the tariff on goods entering the UK. so it's a UK tax.
    As an EU member no EU country applies tariffs so yes you pay less tax because of being an EU member.

    Plus the EU has trade deals with 60 odd countries around the world, which means you pay zero tariffs on most things from these countries, depending on the agreement.

    Outside the EU the UK gets to decide its tariffs, so it could pick 0%, and then people in the UK pay no extra tax. But if you do that no country will try do a trade deal as they get what they want without having to give anything.

    The UK has very recently published its revised tariff schedule as part of the WTO, it's actually planning to breach the WTO rules, so expect to see countries lodge objections or embargoes etc...etc...

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