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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    @Jinset - "fake Europeans" eh? Now there's a term. Can you define these fake Europeans, please?
    European citizens on the paper, who cares nothing about the EU. In easy words those people who only care about making money and do not care about the principles of the EU itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinset View Post
    European citizens on the paper, who cares nothing about the EU. In easy words those people who only care about making money and do not care about the principles of the EU itself.
    Would that be the same as those who come to Britain, get a British passport and then call themselves British (or maybe they pick and choose whether they want to be English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish - but as over 90% settle in England it would be strange if they didn't choose English)?
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Would that be the same as those who come to Britain, get a British passport and then call themselves British (or maybe they pick and choose whether they want to be English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish - but as over 90% settle in England it would be strange if they didn't choose English)?
    I'm, in easy words, referring to those big investors, who are using a stronger currency to invest european capitals not in europe and by doing so they are leaving many citizens jobless. I'm not referring to the "common" or "regular" people who struggle with the daily life we all have. You should know "mr.singapore" i guess. Regards.

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    More about Germany -

    Two articles today -


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    GERMANY'S BDI was out of step with its opposition to renegotiate the Brexit deal with the UK as many German businesses are already "suffering" from the uncertainty of the negotiations, said Gabriel Felbermayr.


    The director of the German economic think tank IFO told BBC Radio 4 Today Programme the BDI industry body is wrong to keep a hard line on Brexit to avoid weakening the European Commission's negotiating position.


    Mr Felbermayr said that the position failed to consider many businesses in Germany are already "suffering" from the uncertainty around the Brexit impasse and urged them to push the Commission to make concessions to Britain.


    He said: "They keep to a hard line, they don't want to weaken the Commission's negotiation position.


    "I think that makes sense, but at the same time, if you watch talk shows on TV in Germany, you see members of big businesses and business federations who do urge the Commission to make concessions and find a solution.


    "Everyone knows that both sides would be hit severely by a hard Brexit."


    Professor Felbermayr added the EU should remove the backstop from the Withdrawal Agreement and keep the UK as a whole into a joint customs union to solve the Irish border issue.


    He said: "I think the EU should, as a quick-fix at least, offer to remove both the backstop and the Withdrawal Agreement's current time-limit on the mobility of goods and capital, so that the provisional agreement would keep the EU and the UK in a joint customs territory association even after 2020, without making a difference between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK."




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    According to a new study, a “disorderly Brexit” would hit the German economy worst of the EU 27.


    The report warned: “In no other state is the effect on total employment as great as in Germany.”


    The European power is expected to account for about one in six of all jobs at risk in a no deal Brexit scenario.


    This news comes from scientists at the Leibniz Institute for Economic Research Halle and the Martin-Luther-University Halle Wittenberg found.


    These figures spark renewed hope that Mrs Merkel might try to work together with Theresa May to secure a better Brexit deal.


    Germany sold 770,000 vehicles to the UK in 2017 and brand new tariffs could jeopardise 15,000 jobs.


    If the UK leaves without a deal trade with EU countries would be based on World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules, meaning a 10 percent tariff on car imports.


    The report said: “The employment effects of a hard Brexit would be noticeable above all at the automobile locations.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Do you think it socially acceptable to drain other countries of their most upwardly mobile people, so that you can satisfy your own lust for capitalism? How are your actions benefiting the countries that have been drained of their best workers? I get it that it helps you in Germany, but it ain't helping anyone else.
    Yes, obviously I do. I believe in capitalism and moving wherever you get the best offer is one of the pillars of capitalism. Locking people into a certain country just because they were born there doesn't sit well with me. I'm currently contemplating multiple job offers from the US myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei View Post
    Yes, obviously I do. I believe in capitalism and moving wherever you get the best offer is one of the pillars of capitalism. Locking people into a certain country just because they were born there doesn't sit well with me. I'm currently contemplating multiple job offers from the US myself.
    Interesting, and exceedingly selfish but understandable. You seemingly are not a proponent of "responsible capitalism".

    But you are happy to leave developing countries destitute as all their best trained workers have left so they can service your greed? Take doctors for example. You're happy that you have hoovered up all the trained doctors from, say, Bangladesh. I see problems here. Firstly they have worse hygiene to start with. Secondly they are poor and the cost of training doctors is proportionately more for them. Thirdly, once you've hoovered them up, they will have to go through the expense of training someone else, while Germany gets a doctor without paying for training. Fourthly, Germany creates a dearth of doctors in Bangladesh to the very real detriment of the people. All in the name of capitalism, cos you can get them on the cheap.

    As I say, that helps Germany, but it sure doesn't help Bangladesh. But f*** 'em. Its a dog eat dog capitalist world isn't it??

    (NB you can interchange Germany and Bangladesh with many developed.developing countries).
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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Interesting, and exceedingly selfish but understandable. You seemingly are not a proponent of "responsible capitalism".

    But you are happy to leave developing countries destitute as all their best trained workers have left so they can service your greed? Take doctors for example. You're happy that you have hoovered up all the trained doctors from, say, Bangladesh. I see problems here. Firstly they have worse hygiene to start with. Secondly they are poor and the cost of training doctors is proportionately more for them. Thirdly, once you've hoovered them up, they will have to go through the expense of training someone else, while Germany gets a doctor without paying for training. Fourthly, Germany creates a dearth of doctors in Bangladesh to the very real detriment of the people. All in the name of capitalism, cos you can get them on the cheap.

    As I say, that helps Germany, but it sure doesn't help Bangladesh. But f*** 'em. Its a dog eat dog capitalist world isn't it??

    (NB you can interchange Germany and Bangladesh with many developed.developing countries).
    I personally believe it's way more selfish to act like it's a birthright to live in a well developed country. I'm not saying all Bangladesh doctors should come here, but I surely wouldn't bar the gates and close the borders either.

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