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    The UK will enhance its lethality post Brexit, says defence secretary

    Brexit represents an opportunity for Britain to boost its global military standing and “enhance our lethality” in response to the threats posed by Russia and China, the defence secretary will say in a notably combative address at a defence thinktank.

    Gavin Williamson intends to argue in a speech at the Royal United Services Institute on Monday that a post-Brexit UK should redefine its role as a global power prepared to intervene against countries that “flout international law”, backed up by new military technologies and capabilities.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vin-williamson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei View Post
    Brexit represents an opportunity for Britain to boost its global military standing and “enhance our lethality” in response to the threats posed by Russia and China, the defence secretary will say in a notably combative address at a defence thinktank.

    Gavin Williamson intends to argue in a speech at the Royal United Services Institute on Monday that a post-Brexit UK should redefine its role as a global power prepared to intervene against countries that “flout international law”, backed up by new military technologies and capabilities.
    It has often been argued that the British army is probably the best trained in the world, but compared with other first world armies one of the worst equipped. As the father of a young officer this infuriates me and has cost me a great deal buying him personal equipment in the guise of Christmas and Birthday presents. I will therefore be listening to Gavin Williamson's speech with considerable attention.

    We don't need any more 'vanity' projects swallowing tens of billions of pounds, but we do need to equip the best troops in the world with the best equipment available. To me it beggars belief that there are armoured reconnaissance regiments in the British army still using using Scimiters, a vehicle that entered service in 1970. These flat hulled vehicles provide scant protection from IED's. There is still no firm date for its promised replacement using the much vaunted and much heavier Ajax platform. This is but one example of how parsimonious and inadequate budgets continue to endanger are troops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei View Post
    Brexit represents an opportunity for Britain to boost its global military standing and “enhance our lethality” in response to the threats posed by Russia and China, the defence secretary will say in a notably combative address at a defence thinktank.

    Gavin Williamson intends to argue in a speech at the Royal United Services Institute on Monday that a post-Brexit UK should redefine its role as a global power prepared to intervene against countries that “flout international law”, backed up by new military technologies and capabilities.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vin-williamson

    Rei, I believe you are a German, you seem to be overly obsessed with Brexit. Can I ask, do you work for the EU or does your organisation get funding from EU?

    As for what Williamson WILL do, why not wait until he HAS done it. But as for what he supposedly will say, I am sure the Chinese are trembling in their boots!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei View Post
    Brexit represents an opportunity for Britain to boost its global military standing and “enhance our lethality” in response to the threats posed by Russia and China, the defence secretary will say in a notably combative address at a defence thinktank.

    Gavin Williamson intends to argue in a speech at the Royal United Services Institute on Monday that a post-Brexit UK should redefine its role as a global power prepared to intervene against countries that “flout international law”, backed up by new military technologies and capabilities.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vin-williamson
    Perhaps now's the time for the UK to realise it is no longer in the military Premier League. The current second division country looks foolish posturing as a military power on stages it only inhabits because of the aid and firepower of the US in the first half of last century when it cannot currently afford to equip its military personnel without shortchanging its own population.

    Surely it would be better to redirect its ambitions to providing a first class civil defence and home security services rather than hankering after, and trying to relive, some historical pageant...
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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Rei, I believe you are a German, you seem to be overly obsessed with Brexit. Can I ask, do you work for the EU or does your organisation get funding from EU?

    As for what Williamson WILL do, why not wait until he HAS done it. But as for what he supposedly will say, I am sure the Chinese are trembling in their boots!!
    Nah. Most of our projects are in SEA/Japan/Arabic states. My employer is located in Sweden. We don't do business with the UK aside from some smaller components that can be gotten elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman Post View Post
    Perhaps now's the time for the UK to realise it is no longer in the military Premier League. The current second division country looks foolish posturing as a military power on stages it only inhabits because of the aid and firepower of the US in the first half of last century when it cannot currently afford to equip its military personnel without shortchanging its own population.

    Surely it would be better to redirect its ambitions to providing a first class civil defence and home security services rather than hankering after, and trying to relive, some historical pageant...
    Perhaps conscription for a couple of years would help to mature and give people a sense of responsibility.
    Some of those knives on the London streets could be used for bayonet practice on straw men, eh Pat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman Post View Post
    Perhaps now's the time for the UK to realise it is no longer in the military Premier League. The current second division country looks foolish posturing as a military power on stages it only inhabits because of the aid and firepower of the US in the first half of last century when it cannot currently afford to equip its military personnel without shortchanging its own population.

    Surely it would be better to redirect its ambitions to providing a first class civil defence and home security services rather than hankering after, and trying to relive, some historical pageant...
    Perhaps your contempt for your adopted country colours your view on this, as on most things. Depending on one's source the UK has the fifth or sixth most powerful military force in the world despite its shortcomings. By almost any standard this places us firmly in the military premier league, despite the underfunding of the military since 1997, certain vanity projects excepted, coupled with its extensive global military operations under Blair's Labour government.

    However whilst your contempt for the military is both unjustified and, I suspect, based on a chip on your shoulder which I have seen before, your suggestions regarding a change of emphasis toward civil defence and home security have merit in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Sinic View Post
    Perhaps your contempt for your adopted country colours your view on this, as on most things. Depending on one's source the UK has the fifth or sixth most powerful military force in the world despite its shortcomings. By almost any standard this places us firmly in the military premier league, despite the underfunding of the military since 1997, certain vanity projects excepted, coupled with its extensive global military operations under Blair's Labour government.

    However whilst your contempt for the military is both unjustified and, I suspect, based on a chip on your shoulder which I have seen before, your suggestions regarding a change of emphasis toward civil defence and home security have merit in my opinion.
    No contempt. Just plain pragmatism and astonishment that the UK's military spend and activities are still guided by history and tradition — to the detriment of its population at home...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Perhaps conscription for a couple of years would help to mature and give people a sense of responsibility.
    Some of those knives on the London streets could be used for bayonet practice on straw men, eh Pat?
    Now, there is an idea but, rather than just weapons training, why not include public service emergency training such as fire-fighting and rescue, ambulance and paramedic, or even full medical auxiliary? They would still require many of the non-lethal technologies — including air, land and sea transport.
    It might even appeal to those who object to the whole idea of military excursions into other countries...
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