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    Quote Originally Posted by Borchester View Post
    No we don't, but if I were to engage in such sweeping generalisations I would say that the great weakness of the Remain campaign has been the child like but still counter productive snobbery of the Remainers. The latter seem incapable of regarding Brexiters as little more than barely house trained thugs who are waiting for the coal mines to reopen so that they can fill their bath tubs.

    I can't complain. The blinkered bigotry of Johnda helps strengthen the Brexiters position. However, to clear the air, I have worked in factories and knocking shops (although on the door and not in the upstairs rooms) and building sites all over the world and had a fine time. But now I want my country back.

    As said by various other posters, I can't see a lot of change come Brexit. Gerry was explaining a while back that the cost of Irish beef would rocket for some reason or other so I will eat less of it. One of my nieces, with splendid frugality, decided to not only have her son christened at her wedding, but also to serve up sparkling cider instead of champagne, so there are clearly a lot of economies that can still be made without affecting the general gaiety of the nation.

    But overall, I can't see a lot changing.
    You can only truly judge EU countries by living in the EU. You can call tht bigotry or whtever you like, but it is true. Brexiters only seem to argue by adhoms insted of facts. A fact is you can only truly judge a country by living in it.

    And if Brexiters feel even stronger about leaving when confronted with facts that oppose their feelings, then this, once again, shows that they decide from emotions and not evidence and facts.

    I am sick to death of non factual posts. As the experts, look at past performance, look at the investors leaving and those coming, look at the GBP, look at growth forecasts... facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnda View Post
    You can only truly judge EU countries by living in the EU. You can call tht bigotry or whtever you like, but it is true. Brexiters only seem to argue by adhoms insted of facts. A fact is you can only truly judge a country by living in it.

    And if Brexiters feel even stronger about leaving when confronted with facts that oppose their feelings, then this, once again, shows that they decide from emotions and not evidence and facts.

    I am sick to death of non factual posts. As the experts, look at past performance, look at the investors leaving and those coming, look at the GBP, look at growth forecasts... facts.
    We haven't left yet,there is a factual post.
    17,410,742 people said LEAVE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borchester View Post
    As said by various other posters, I can't see a lot of change come Brexit. Gerry was explaining a while back that the cost of Irish beef would rocket for some reason or other so I will eat less of it. One of my nieces, with splendid frugality, decided to not only have her son christened at her wedding, but also to serve up sparkling cider instead of champagne, so there are clearly a lot of economies that can still be made without affecting the general gaiety of the nation.

    But overall, I can't see a lot changing.

    WTO tariffs for the beef are something like 70%. Protectionism works both ways, so suspect (but happy to be corrected) that it is retaliation to protectionist measures put in place by the EU to help EU farming (ie the French)

    <rant on>

    But I am disappointed by your post Borchester as you should be buying British beef. I am president of the local agricultural society and am having to write a piece for the year book. Of course Brexit is going to be mentioned, not leas that in all the discussions we have in this country, it tends to be about bankers, Nissan and JLR. How often do you hear about the farmer?? The other part was to call for a countering of the constant self-denigration that seems to be taking place in this country, and really to bang the "buy British" drum. Start with the primary goods and secondary goods that are made from our own primary ones, and then take it from there. I was in the supermarket earlier today, and looked at the butter section. A bit of English (own label and Country Life) that was swamped by French, Danish, Irish and New Zealand butter. Why?? If we in this country aren't going to buy and support our own industries, why on earth would you expect anyone else in the world to buy our goods??

    <rant off>
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    WTO tariffs for the beef are something like 70%. Protectionism works both ways, so suspect (but happy to be corrected) that it is retaliation to protectionist measures put in place by the EU to help EU farming (ie the French)

    <rant on>

    But I am disappointed by your post Borchester as you should be buying British beef. I am president of the local agricultural society and am having to write a piece for the year book. Of course Brexit is going to be mentioned, not leas that in all the discussions we have in this country, it tends to be about bankers, Nissan and JLR. How often do you hear about the farmer?? The other part was to call for a countering of the constant self-denigration that seems to be taking place in this country, and really buy British. Start with the primary goods and secondary goods made from our own primary ones and then take it from there. I was in the supermarket earlier today, and looked at the butter section. A bit of English (own label and Country Life) that was swamped by French, Danish, Irish and New Zealand butter. Why?? If we in this country aren't going to buy and support our own industries, why on earth would you expect anyone else in the world to buy our goods??

    <rant off>
    I agree, I can barely find tomatoes from the UK in the supermarket, indeed. I am trying to buy UK products, but it's not easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnda View Post
    You can only truly judge EU countries by living in the EU.
    That doesn't seem to have stopped most of mainland Europe judging the UK and its citizenry.

    I am afraid to say that I, and many others, find that mainland EU looks down on Britain. They dislike us. They mistreat us. They want our money.... and it will be their own fault if they have shot one of the geese that lays the golden eggs.
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassie View Post
    I agree, I can barely find tomatoes from the UK in the supermarket, indeed. I am trying to buy UK products, but it's not easy.
    Of course climate is important, and poly tunnels do work better in warmer climes. However, that doesn't mean we can't grow it. If produce is more expensive, would you be willing to pay for it to support the UK? I would, because in the long run, that initial higher cost, will return to benefit the country via tax receipts, employment etc. Of course there is a limit in how much more one reasonably pay, as well as one's ability. I banned my Mrs from Anchor butter. She railed at first, but now sees the light!

    And you are right - it isn't easy to find what you want. Peoples' priority is not particularly wanting British, they want cheap. If something can be grown and shipped in cheaper, then they will go for it. Frankly speaking, most in this country have little to no idea of the implications of their choices until it is too late and they can wallow in their being no choice to make.
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Of course climate is important, and poly tunnels do work better in warmer climes. However, that doesn't mean we can't grow it. If produce is more expensive, would you be willing to pay for it to support the UK? I would, because in the long run, that initial higher cost, will return to benefit the country via tax receipts, employment etc.

    And you are right - it isn't easy to find what you want. Peoples' priority is not particularly wanting British, they want cheap. If something can be grown and shipped in cheaper, then they will go for it. Frankly speaking, most in this country have little to no idea of the implications of their choices until it is too late and they can wallow in their being no choice to make.
    The tomato issue continues all summer. Aldi is the best for getting British tomatoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnda View Post
    You can only truly judge EU countries by living in the EU.
    How so? - I have lived and worked in both Germany and Holland and immensely enjoyed both experiences because I like Germany and Holland - the EU is irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Jefe View Post
    How so? - I have lived and worked in both Germany and Holland and immensely enjoyed both experiences because I like Germany and Holland - the EU is irrelevant.
    The Solemn Declaration goes on about "the European Identity" and working to strengthen it. Now I have asked many times before, but no one seems to have answered me. What is "the European Identity"? I often ask what the Portuguese and the Finns have in common, but you could add a plethora of countries into that question.
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnda View Post
    I do not remember if you said you had lived and worked in another EU country. If not, you cannot miss what you have never known


    If you wish to discuss the fact of whether someone has lived and worked abroad please start a thread. Nobody wants another 90 posts like the last hijacked thread.
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