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    What we might have if we revoke article 50

    Not quite a cave in at the 11th hour or a U turn...but....
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    + No financial settlement

    + Full access to SM for UK industry - keep Nissan and Airbus happy!

    + Financial passports for all UK institutions - keep those bakers happy!

    + Continuation of all in force EU FTAs inc Japan for UK

    + Consultation & veto of all EU trade deals

    + Full access to EU programs (eg Gallileo, Horizon 2020), including funding - keep the universities happy!

    + Full access to security & policing databases - keeps the police happy and the criminals sad!

    + Permanent opt out of Schengen area - we control our borders!

    + Permanent opt out of - a bit of an iffy project IMHO

    + Permanent opt outs (with opt ins) in Justice and Security areas

    + Permanent veto on Turkey joining - not that that's likely any time soon anyway

    + Permanent veto on EU army - though we can't stop the others cooperating more

    + FR, DE & IT to pay around of UK payments to EU - they hate that!

    + No border in Irish Sea or Ireland - keep the Irish happy!

    + Ability to deport EU nationals who are a burden - no benefit tourists!

    + Ability to refuse entry to EU nationals who pose a threat to public safety - no crime lords! (Unless they are wealthy Russian crime lords with money to launder obviously &#128580

    + Travel and work, visa free for UK citizens in EU - keep those pensioners on the Costa del Sol happy!

    + Seat on all major EU decision making bodies

    + All directives from Brussels to be first passed by UK Parliament before becoming UK law

    + UK gov to control UK fishing quota distribution - overall quotas still to be agreed with EU after taking scientific advice on fish stocks etc

    + Ability to nationalised and even provide assistance to industries (for the Corbynites)

    + Blue passports - for the nostalgic

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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    Not quite a cave in at the 11th hour or a U turn...but....
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    + No financial settlement

    + Full access to SM for UK industry - keep Nissan and Airbus happy!

    + Financial passports for all UK institutions - keep those bakers happy!

    + Continuation of all in force EU FTAs inc Japan for UK

    + Consultation & veto of all EU trade deals

    + Full access to EU programs (eg Gallileo, Horizon 2020), including funding - keep the universities happy!

    + Full access to security & policing databases - keeps the police happy and the criminals sad!

    + Permanent opt out of Schengen area - we control our borders!

    + Permanent opt out of € - a bit of an iffy project IMHO

    + Permanent opt outs (with opt ins) in Justice and Security areas

    + Permanent veto on Turkey joining - not that that's likely any time soon anyway

    + Permanent veto on EU army - though we can't stop the others cooperating more

    + FR, DE & IT to pay around of UK payments to EU - they hate that!

    + No border in Irish Sea or Ireland - keep the Irish happy!

    + Ability to deport EU nationals who are a burden - no benefit tourists!

    + Ability to refuse entry to EU nationals who pose a threat to public safety - no crime lords! (Unless they are wealthy Russian crime lords with money to launder obviously ��)

    + Travel and work, visa free for UK citizens in EU - keep those pensioners on the Costa del Sol happy!

    + Seat on all major EU decision making bodies

    + All directives from Brussels to be first passed by UK Parliament before becoming UK law

    + UK gov to control UK fishing quota distribution - overall quotas still to be agreed with EU after taking scientific advice on fish stocks etc

    + Ability to nationalised and even provide assistance to industries (for the Corbynites)

    + Blue passports - for the nostalgic
    Where are you getting this from?

    Countries and people should have the right to veto EU laws and rules with referendum and votes. I think that is one major problem with the EU, enforcing onto others their own will.

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    UK has most of these things already. Aside from the blue passports.

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    Not sure where did you get that, most of those points were never discussed in the EU parliament as far i know.

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    Any credible links to this or does it go in the conspiracy theories section?
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    If supplied will restore it to brexit thread
    The new parliamentary democracy,it's not the will of the people that counts but the will of 650......will come back to haunt them.

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    He's going to say remain in the EU and we'll get all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    He's going to say remain in the EU and we'll get all that.
    Oh I got that Barry but have had enough of wind ups today and I gave a decent time to answer.
    The new parliamentary democracy,it's not the will of the people that counts but the will of 650......will come back to haunt them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    Not quite a cave in at the 11th hour or a U turn...but....
    

    + No financial settlement

    + Full access to SM for UK industry - keep Nissan and Airbus happy!

    + Financial passports for all UK institutions - keep those bakers happy!

    + Continuation of all in force EU FTAs inc Japan for UK

    + Consultation & veto of all EU trade deals

    + Full access to EU programs (eg Gallileo, Horizon 2020), including funding - keep the universities happy!

    + Full access to security & policing databases - keeps the police happy and the criminals sad!

    + Permanent opt out of Schengen area - we control our borders!

    + Permanent opt out of € - a bit of an iffy project IMHO

    + Permanent opt outs (with opt ins) in Justice and Security areas

    + Permanent veto on Turkey joining - not that that's likely any time soon anyway

    + Permanent veto on EU army - though we can't stop the others cooperating more

    + FR, DE & IT to pay around of UK payments to EU - they hate that!

    + No border in Irish Sea or Ireland - keep the Irish happy!

    + Ability to deport EU nationals who are a burden - no benefit tourists!

    + Ability to refuse entry to EU nationals who pose a threat to public safety - no crime lords! (Unless they are wealthy Russian crime lords with money to launder obviously &#128580

    + Travel and work, visa free for UK citizens in EU - keep those pensioners on the Costa del Sol happy!

    + Seat on all major EU decision making bodies

    + All directives from Brussels to be first passed by UK Parliament before becoming UK law

    + UK gov to control UK fishing quota distribution - overall quotas still to be agreed with EU after taking scientific advice on fish stocks etc

    + Ability to nationalised and even provide assistance to industries (for the Corbynites)

    + Blue passports - for the nostalgic
    Lesson learnt then,they are bunch of fascists who want to punish anyone who stands up against them.
    17,410,742 people said LEAVE!

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    Barry is correct, this is the future relationship with the EU if the UK were to revoke a50 and remain in the EU.

    Whilst tongue on cheek, it makes a serious point

    Namely that the UK's current relationship has many features that answer Brexiter's criticisms.

    I note that none of the answers so far have actually rebutted any points or (and this is the point of the thread) listed the features of a Leave deal.

    When we voted we chose between a defined (but unpublicised) Remain position and an undefined Leave position.

    Subsequent events have shown how difficult it is to define the Leave position.

    I was hoping to ferret out some Leave positions beyond "Leave the fascist EU" and "take back control"

    @MODS

    Do you want me to provide a link for any specific points before restoring the thread or do you want a link for each point? I'm happy to edit the original post to add links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    Barry is correct, this is the future relationship with the EU if the UK were to revoke a50 and remain in the EU.

    Whilst tongue on cheek, it makes a serious point

    Namely that the UK's current relationship has many features that answer Brexiter's criticisms.

    I note that none of the answers so far have actually rebutted any points or (and this is the point of the thread) listed the features of a Leave deal.

    When we voted we chose between a defined (but unpublicised) Remain position and an undefined Leave position.

    Subsequent events have shown how difficult it is to define the Leave position.

    I was hoping to ferret out some Leave positions beyond "Leave the fascist EU" and "take back control"

    @MODS

    Do you want me to provide a link for any specific points before restoring the thread or do you want a link for each point? I'm happy to edit the original post to add links.
    Mod hat on.

    No what I will do is edit the thread title to represent the reality of your position and then restore it.
    The new parliamentary democracy,it's not the will of the people that counts but the will of 650......will come back to haunt them.

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