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    Using the Express as a reference is nearly as bad as using the Daily Mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    Using the Express as a reference is nearly as bad as using the Daily Mail.
    Aren't all English newspapers similarly bad? (serious question)
    I heard that people were angry at the BBC because their reports were considered too factual and not opinionated enough during the Brexit referendum in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnda View Post

    BTW, I have voted Conservative all my life, but feel very let down now.
    ¿Was that for the Partido Popular?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnda View Post
    Sadly, it is all about party politics instead of the good of the country. Very few people seem concerned with the good of the country and the same goes for a lot of posts here.

    The good of the country can easily be gauged from the past performance

    Have we prospered in the EU? Yes we have
    Is life genelly better for our citizens? Yes it is
    Do we have the best available deal at the moment? Yes we do.

    I think that the older one gets, the less one wants to see the nonsense that partisan politics brings about. Consensus politics should be involved in a lot more things. The NHS is one. Brexit another. However, I am not sure that Corbyn is able to do that, even if there was a desire from May to have him on board. And then, if you include him, what about the leader of the party with the biggest EU representation - ie in those days it would have been Farage? As an aside, I always say my preferred form of government is the somewhat theoretical "benevolent dictatorship".

    As for prospering, do you think that this century's nett £120bn+ contribution represents good value for money? At present, all I see is a socialist exercise in wealth redistribution.
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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    I have a serious question and since I have a poor understanding of the Union with regards to the UK, NI and Scotland maybe some can explain to me the failure of my proposal...


    Why can't NI and Scotland offer EU citizens freedom of movement? Why does the UK not offer more rights to appease these two territories? Logistics aside it seems in theory like a good idea. In the end this subject may break up The United Kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnda View Post
    More emotions Barry!

    You feel "offended" and "bullied"!
    Do I? Where did I say that. You should read posts properly.

    Is that emotion worth leading the country to its demise?
    Straw men are about.

    What people voted for nearly 3 years ago is largely irrelevant now. What people vote for now IS relevant now. God help us if they vote with emotions and not objective common sense, but so be it.
    Keep trying. No one will be at all impressed as the result of the referendum has not been implemented. After it has been, then perhaps another reffo in a few years to determine if we want to join up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    Going back on topic, I can think of NO immediate benefits for the common people.
    Well, i think the prices to rent an apartment will be cheaper, however the food will be more expansive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinset View Post
    Well, i think the prices to rent an apartment will be cheaper, however the food will be more expansive.
    Self determination backed by real democratic choices is what the makes the difference,eventually Westminster will give it up and accept they cannot go against the will of a majority vote.I don't know if they will ever be forgiven for the psychology they have unleashed against the public.Maybe once we get direct democracy maybe.
    17,410,742 people said LEAVE!

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    I will give you prime example,would you like the chance to buy your own house? yes I would,would you like job security,yes I would.Would you like a free national health service?yes I would,but how do I stop these things being undermined by successive governments out for themselves? you have to be able to control their policy decisions through direct democracy of course.Do you want to be part of an EU superstate which will take charge of your lives and take any chance of a democratic choice further and further away and completely out of any democratic control? no I wouldn't.
    17,410,742 people said LEAVE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Really? If I want to air my emotions on this forum, I will. One of my emotions at the moment is anger that our elected representatives are still ignoring our decision after nearly 3 years of prevaricating.
    That emotion, although valid, carries little weight in itself in an argument. Saying that you are angry is not an argument. Saying that MPs are not delivering on what they represent the people for is an argument.

    However one must know what the people actually want NOW, not what they wanted nearly 3 years ago, and if they do not ask the people, then they will never know.

    But MPs are, in the vast majority more interested in party politics rther than what is good for the country... so as Private Frazer would say, "We are doomed"

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