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    Phone charges

    Have just come back from a week in France.

    Last time i was there (a decade ago) using a mobile was daylight robbery. Just using my phone a few times on the slopes and sending a few texts bumped up my bill by 20 or so and this was in the days before data.

    A few years later a friend on business in Finland and Germany for a month (admittedly heavily using data for video, up and downloading presentations) racked up a bill of over 5000!

    Anyway, this time, using WhatsApp frequently, posting on social media with pictures, making some phone calls and so on I spent (PAYGO) a grand total of 3. About what I spend in the UK over a similar time (a bit more as there is less free WiFi in the Alps).

    So the EU's roaming regs really do work, and work well.

    Which brings me on to the point.

    MoneySavingExpert.com phoned 16 mobile providers and only 2 *committed* to not reintroducing roaming charges in the event of "no deal".

    Of the remaining 12, 4 didn't respond and the others all said "no plans", but also no assurances either.

    We do know that the government has updated the SI's regarding roaming to allow companies to charge roaming over the objections of consumer groups. It is reasonable to assume that the pressure to allow for the reintroduction of roaming charges came from the mobile companies (if anyone has a credible alternative?).

    The companies may not have "any plans" but that doesn't mean they aren't taking steps on that direction.

    But blue passports.....

    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ne...-after-brexit/

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    Yes, but the general charges have gone up, to cover for the losses.So people who don't roam are paying for your roaming pleasure. I'm perfectly happy to pay a bit extra if using my phone abroad, it is to be expected as these calls and data don't cost nothing.

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    Oh OK, let's cancel Brexit because my mobile charges will be higher when I am abroad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Yes, but the general charges have gone up, to cover for the losses.So people who don't roam are paying for your roaming pleasure. I'm perfectly happy to pay a bit extra if using my phone abroad, it is to be expected as these calls and data don't cost nothing.
    That was the argument the phone companies made.

    Buy have general charges gone up? I pay 1p a MB on PAYGO, rates for contracts are even lower.

    Calls and data have never been cheaper.

    Also, the same law that restricts roaming charges also restricts the charges phone companies can make to other phone companies for roaming. If you think about it the cost to a Spanish or french network for providing roaming to a UK phone is near zero, so the inflated charges they used to charge each other were pure profits kor subsidies for their own subscribers.

    As there is little or no extra cost for your provider to provide roaming how does that require the general charges increace to subsidise them?

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    Buy a SIM when you go abroad. (Non) problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Oh OK, let's cancel Brexit because my mobile charges will be higher when I am abroad.
    Ok, agreed! 😁

    It's more that this is a concrete example of things getting worse, one that was dismissed as "project fear" yet is becoming more and more likely.

    It's nice going abroad and not having to worry about "bill shock".

    Whilst I was there the resort manager was saying his company had already scaled back operations because if the uncertainty and he had no idea about the status of their staff or their ability to get staff in the case of no deal.

    For example one of our chalet hosts was a last minute replacement for a precious member who bust a leg skiing. That won't be possible in the case of no deal.

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    Don't blame me I didn't vote out. Where I we go to on holiday in Brittany we never use a mobile phone because most places have free WIFI and the village centre has free WIFI as well.
    (The previous Mayor was a communications enthusiast.)

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    Its so sad that people go away on holiday and can't actually leave their telephone behind as well. And by "leave behind", I don't mean that literally, more that they really don't need to have it stuck to their ear all the time. But hey, that's me showing my age and I actually think it a boon to not have my telephone with mean when on holiday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    Ok, agreed! ��

    It's more that this is a concrete example of things getting worse, one that was dismissed as "project fear" yet is becoming more and more likely.

    It's nice going abroad and not having to worry about "bill shock".

    Whilst I was there the resort manager was saying his company had already scaled back operations because if the uncertainty and he had no idea about the status of their staff or their ability to get staff in the case of no deal.

    For example one of our chalet hosts was a last minute replacement for a precious member who bust a leg skiing. That won't be possible in the case of no deal.
    Boggart: Getting a local sim doesn’t automatically let people who want to contact you know the new number — perhaps that’s a plus point, though.

    Bb: Your tale reminds me of the false allegation that the EU forces countries to employ foreign employees — France (uniquely?) insists that its ski instructors hold its own specific qualification, which can take years to achieve and can inhibit prospective overseas trainees from applying...
    https://www.snowskool.com/blog/how-t...ctor-in-france
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman Post View Post
    B France (uniquely?) insists that its ski instructors hold its own specific qualification, which can take years to achieve and can inhibit prospective overseas trainees from applying...
    There are legitimate reasons for that, it gives local people work in the winter. (It isn't unique by the way in some Swiss Cantons, if you are not local forget being a instructor, for the same reason a France.)

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