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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    brexiters clutching at their pearls at this, after years of insulting the EU LOL.

    The important qualifier that many outlets have missed (although the OP has not) is those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it safely

    ​Promoting a drastic cause of action* with no a plan to achieve that change without major disruption is extremely irresponsible.

    It is doubly irresponsible to then promote the idea that anybody who highlights the risks of such a course should be ignored.

    Imagine a surgeon promoting their new "head transplant" to a patient despite the fact they had no idea how to carry out such an operation. Imagine further that they dismissed any concerns the patient had as "project fear" and strogly advised them not to get a second opinion and that anyone who doubted the operation could be carried out should be ignored.

    Can anybody defend such a course of action?

    Brexit, regardless of the merits of the idea, has not been handled well (pretty sure we all agree on that point).

    If the "project fear" predictions are even half true (and remember, Brexiters proclaim that nobody can predict the future so it is entirely possible that "project fear" may be true) then those who promoted it as "sunlit uplands" will be guilty of a gross dereliction of duty.

    As an aside Dante's 8th circle of hell was reserved for Frauds and contains
    Seducers, Flatterers, False Prophets, Hypocrites, Thieves, Perjurers, Impersonators and Corrupt Politicians

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    and whether you are pro or anti brexit, Brexit is undeniably a drastic course change for the UK
    But then losers are still losers,so it would seem Mr Tusk has built his own hell in the EU earth.After all you have all been lashing out for the last few years.On the whole I believe the British people have taken it well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    The important qualifier that many outlets have missed (although the OP has not) is those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it safely


    LOL - I'm not sure what part of a proposing a Canada + deal you dont understand - FFS even the EU proposed that very deal 2 years ago..

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Jefe View Post
    LOL - I'm not sure what part of a proposing a Canada + deal you dont understand - FFS even the EU proposed that very deal 2 years ago..
    I think the point is the UK is leaving and its the UK that hasn't the foggiest clue what it wants. All the UK knows is what it doesn't want. It doesn't want this and it doesn't want that. But what it does want nobody knows. Not even the UK.
    That's the point. It's those that promoted Brexit and their plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry T View Post
    It's those that promoted Brexit and their plan.
    What plan? They did not have a plan A let alone a plan B.

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    Typical fake outrage by those who usually love "no bullshit" politicians like Farage, Trump, Johnson.
    Tusk shouldn't have said that, for sure. But the guys complaining are those who would instantly applaud if their favourite Brexit politician would publicly insult other people because he is just telling it like it is.

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    Any of you foreign folk from the EU, can you tell me what your plan is for the Irish/UK border in Ireland if UK leaves on WTO? All I see is a load of bull trying to pass the buck to the UK when you yourselves have no clue what you are going to do. Annexing Northern Ireland - is that really the best the EU can come up with? Strewth what a bunch pathetic politicians there are there as well as at Westminster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Any of you foreign folk from the EU, can you tell me what your plan is for the Irish/UK border in Ireland if UK leaves on WTO? All I see is a load of bull trying to pass the buck to the UK when you yourselves have no clue what you are going to do. Annexing Northern Ireland - is that really the best the EU can come up with? Strewth what a bunch pathetic politicians there are there as well as at Westminster.
    It's actually pretty simple and has been from the start:

    1) The UK leaves the EU without a deal and as such, leaves the custom's union (and everything else like the single market but that is irrelevant)
    2) To satisfy both WTO and EU rules, there must be checks on goods both entering and leaving the UK (and vice versa, RoI/EU).
    3) Currently, there doesn't seem to be a satisfactory system in place to do that other than a hard border. The UK insists there is one, but is unable to explain how it would look like, let alone implement it.
    4) Thus, a hard border is needed. This is against the spirit of the GFA.

    Of course, there are a few lies by the usual suspects like Farage who thinks it's feasible to just say "we don't want a border, let the EU deal with it", but that's also violating the WTO rules the UK intends on adopting.

    So...solutions:

    1) The UK or at least NI doesn't leave the custom's union at all.
    2) The UK leaves the custom's union after an intermediate phase until a solution is found (the "backstop")
    3) This magical piece of technology somehow becomes reality in less than two months and the UK is out immediately
    4) Pandemonium

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    So Rei, you have no acceptable solution and then try to lay it solely at the feet of the UK. Chapeau mon pote, chapeau.
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    https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...00394027761664

    Wee little Guy V has had his little say now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    So Rei, you have no acceptable solution and then try to lay it solely at the feet of the UK. Chapeau mon pote, chapeau.
    That seems to be a stretch. I'm not personally involved in the negotiations, so I don't need to have a solution.
    If you're talking about the solution of "the EU", there is one and it is called the backstop.

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