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    Quote Originally Posted by Conchúr View Post
    It was a dumb statement and he shouldn't have said it.

    Don't get me wrong, I share the feelings of general anger against Brexiteer politicians who sold one of the most glorious pups in modern history, but I tend to find using provocative language gets you nowhere.

    So yes . . a dumb statement . . . but one made in a world of dumb statements brought about by a dumb process.
    Would you concede that the problem is that the Brexiteer politicians haven't been able to steer policy/negotiations and therefore accusations of being the most glorious pup in modern times is a little misplaced? What I see, is a remain dominated parliament creating a situation that is FUBAR on purpose? Out of interest, if UK leaves and goes onto WTO terms, what does the leader of your country propose for his border? The EU seem to have no plan what so ever*, so was wondering whether RoI had one?


    * Actually there plan seems to be to annex Northern Ireland, and I did also see in the Express (so probably safest to disregard) that EU would kick RoI out of the single market rather than have a hard border. I didn't bother wasting my time reading as I took it to be balls, but have you heard anything along those lines?
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    He and Varadkar joked that he will be in trouble with the British for that remark. If any elected leader or MP for that matter, had made a similar remark, there would be calls for his or her resignation. He can say things like that safe in the knowledge that he is untouchable. One could also condemn the remain MPs who refuse to accept any deal that is offered to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassie View Post
    He and Varadkar joked that he will be in trouble with the British for that remark. If any elected leader or MP for that matter, had made a similar remark, there would be calls for his or her resignation. He can say things like that safe in the knowledge that he is untouchable. One could also condemn the remain MPs who refuse to accept any deal that is offered to them.

    As someone who has spent several days trying to sort out the problems a hard Brexit and no customs union will cause me his statements were mild compared to my feelings on the matter. When it got to less that 90 days until the 29th of March 2019, it was too late for many of the problems to be mitigated or planned for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Sry Cas, looked around for a thread, and couldn't see it. Should have looked a bit wider.

    I see Lankou attacking Farage on your thread. Farage may well have a plan for the border but he isn't part of May's inner cabal. So really Tusk should be lambasting Ollie Robbins and Theresa May, not Brexiters. And let's face it, it's their border as well. What are their plans for it when we leave?
    Farage was on RTE Monday night. His plan is there's no need for a backstop and April the UK is still aligned and it will be yrs before the UK diverges from EU regulations so we should all just leave the border open for 2 yrs and just get on with things. Hahahahahhaha. So Farage has no plan, other than, the UK will do what it wants and don't stand in our way, sort of thing.
    As for Tusk, his comment doesn't help and it's inflammatory. But he's not the first to come out with such comments. Everyone should refrain from this language in the public eye.
    But look at what he said. Those that promote brexit without a plan to do it Safely, is that a bad sentiment. Surely if Brexit threatens lives then those that push it that way without a plan should be help accountable. We can debate the economic gain or loss, and that's a choice for the UK people, but that decision shouldn't threaten peoples lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry T View Post
    Those that promote brexit without a plan to do it Safely, is that a bad sentiment. Surely if Brexit threatens lives then those that push it that way without a plan should be help accountable.
    There is certainly with a hard Brexit and no customs union a potential for some deaths as an emergent property. some many variables.

    Radioactive isotopes with a 60 hour half life being delayed being just one. (Used for cancer treatment.)

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    Gerry, you mention "threaten lives". What are you referring to - the IRA? Are the UK and EU to negotiate while taking terrorists feelings into account? And really, I suspect that the IRA can't wait for a hard border to be put in place. Much more opportunity to make money smuggling.

    Still I would love to hear a practical plan from the EU and RoI as they seemingly don't have the faintest idea, yet seem (somewhat successfully) to be lumping it all on to Westminster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry T View Post
    Those that promote brexit without a plan to do it Safely, is that a bad sentiment. Surely if Brexit threatens lives then those that push it that way without a plan should be help accountable. We can debate the economic gain or loss, and that's a choice for the UK people, but that decision shouldn't threaten peoples lives.
    But Tusk is factually wrong. David Davis had a plan (Canada +), the ERG have a plan issued this week (also Canada+) - however neither of those are in a position to implement those plans. The only people we have negotiating are Olly Robbins and Mrs May - both of whom were arch remainers.

    Childish complaints about what somebody who is not in power should have done isnt really helping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conchúr View Post
    It was a dumb statement and he shouldn't have said it.

    Don't get me wrong, I share the feelings of general anger against Brexiteer politicians who sold one of the most glorious pups in modern history, but I tend to find using provocative language gets you nowhere.

    So yes . . a dumb statement . . . but one made in a world of dumb statements brought about by a dumb process.
    When are you going to learn?

    Propaganda, Busses and MP’s had almost NO bearing on the outcome of the referendum, give it up man.

    We hate the EU for all that it stands for and have wanted out for decades, now we have Tusk compounding that with tosh like this.
    I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.

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    Theres a good article in the Speccy about the use of Twitter by the EU and how they are following the Trump model.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...ter-diplomacy/

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    brexiters clutching at their pearls at this, after years of insulting the EU LOL.

    The important qualifier that many outlets have missed (although the OP has not) is those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it safely

    ​Promoting a drastic cause of action* with no a plan to achieve that change without major disruption is extremely irresponsible.

    It is doubly irresponsible to then promote the idea that anybody who highlights the risks of such a course should be ignored.

    Imagine a surgeon promoting their new "head transplant" to a patient despite the fact they had no idea how to carry out such an operation. Imagine further that they dismissed any concerns the patient had as "project fear" and strogly advised them not to get a second opinion and that anyone who doubted the operation could be carried out should be ignored.

    Can anybody defend such a course of action?

    Brexit, regardless of the merits of the idea, has not been handled well (pretty sure we all agree on that point).

    If the "project fear" predictions are even half true (and remember, Brexiters proclaim that nobody can predict the future so it is entirely possible that "project fear" may be true) then those who promoted it as "sunlit uplands" will be guilty of a gross dereliction of duty.

    As an aside Dante's 8th circle of hell was reserved for Frauds and contains
    Seducers, Flatterers, False Prophets, Hypocrites, Thieves, Perjurers, Impersonators and Corrupt Politicians

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    and whether you are pro or anti brexit, Brexit is undeniably a drastic course change for the UK

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