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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    You mean everyone on DWP benefits should be sitting on bicycle like generators attached to the national grid. Perhaps get some squirrels in too, on treadmills. Fantastic.
    Exactly that , put a tablet on the handle bars to keep them entertained , a job for life . Additionally it is a keep fit program

    With gearing we could attach some huge dynamos to a cycle .

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    I was chatting to a friend who was worried about climate change and CO2 a few weeks back. I asked him what percentage of the atmosphere was CO2 and he thought for a moment and said about 25% ?
    I eventually got him to realise that if the whole of the air was 1 kilometre long, Oxygen would be about 200 metres of it and CO2 about the last 40 centimetres.
    He was astounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I was chatting to a friend who was worried about climate change and CO2 a few weeks back. I asked him what percentage of the atmosphere was CO2 and he thought for a moment and said about 25% ?
    I eventually got him to realise that if the whole of the air was 1 kilometre long, Oxygen would be about 200 metres of it and CO2 about the last 40 centimetres.
    He was astounded.
    Absolutely agree. I have asked this of many people, and I think the highest I have ever got to is 33%. I do think that if people are going to proselytise that they should know their facts. It seems a sign of the times that people like to shout their opinions without doing too much research, even basic research as to what percentage of the atmosphere comprises of CO2.

    Now I want to know a couple of things.....

    1) We are told that currently, there are 391 parts per million that is comprised of CO2. How accurate is that figure, to get a world wide reading to (at least) 4 decimal places? I also wonder where the readings are taken from. I know that some are at a top of a mountain in Hawaii, but where else? The reason I ask, is that when you look at temperature readings in the UK, one of the stations most oft quoted is in the heat island that is Heathrow. And maybe I am cynical, but the quoting of things as parts per million seems to confuse a lot of people by design. We don't say that oxygen is 209500 ppm. No, quoting a change from 370ppm to 390ppm is more dramatic than saying a change from 0.0370% to 0.0390%.

    2) We have a fragile ecosystem, that often seems a lot more robust than we are led to believe. Now I am prepared to believe that any change will have an affect, whether it is anthropogenic or not. But I do wonder the embellishments that come with a change from 0.0370% to 0.0390% (as well as questioning just how accurate the figures are)? We hear about the 2c temperature rise. Sea levels rising 10 meters, etc etc etc but in the 1970s we were told an ice age was coming. What we don't hear very often, not least in the press, is about the Gulf Stream stopping due to an increase in fresh water.

    I'd just like more honesty in this. I would say, free from political interference, but that alas is too fanciful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post

    I'd just like more honesty in this. I would say, free from political interference, but that alas is too fanciful.

    And also free from interference by the fossil fuel industry who very obviously have a pecuniary interest in denying climate change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    And also free from interference by the fossil fuel industry who very obviously have a pecuniary interest in denying climate change.
    If only the world would listen , global energizing is immeasurable . The energy could increase infinitely but you still wouldn't measure any more than N .

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    It's not the fossil fuel that is the problem , it is the electrical energy . Opposite charge can occupy the same geometrical point . A point will measure N for neutral , even if the point had infinite charge density , it would still measure N .

    NE / t = N

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    If you destroy ecosystems such as cutting down natures natural CO2 cleaner then don't expect there not to be more CO2 in the atmosphere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepy View Post
    If you destroy ecosystems such as cutting down natures natural CO2 cleaner then don't expect there not to be more CO2 in the atmosphere.
    I couldn't argue with the point that CO2 is a pollutant and making the air we breathe poorer quality . No point in quiting smoking lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawfully View Post
    I couldn't argue with the point that CO2 is a pollutant and making the air we breathe poorer quality . No point in quiting smoking lol
    Probably because it is about the only true fact out of all of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepy View Post
    Probably because it is about the only true fact out of all of it.
    In regards to global warming , CO2 is not a factor in that . The mass energy equivalent is equal to the mass and there is no interior atmosphere change of entropy in regards to more energy .

    However the global energizing I mentioned is very real , created electrical energy is not natural to the system . Now for example , my light is turned on , the electrical energy is being absorbed by the walls etc .

    Even the birth of people , add electrical energy to the entropy .

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