Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 44

Thread: Brexit - Dose of reality needed

  1. #11
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Posts
    341
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 36 Times in 30 Posts
    Brexiteers want to walk away the problem is the EU wins a game of chicken because they will want to send a message to other countries. They have said as much.

  2. #12
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Wirral
    Posts
    3,062
    Thanks
    317
    Thanked 247 Times in 214 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Junckrfu View Post
    Brexiteers want to walk away the problem is the EU wins a game of chicken because they will want to send a message to other countries. They have said as much.
    Total codswllop ---- if you really believe that walking away without a deal means a win for the EU!! There would be NO immediate winners in that situation.....but future prospects would undoubtedly be better for the UK.....even if only because of saving that ridiculous £mult-billion annual tribute to the EU.
    Sensible negotiations are being made far more difficult for the UK because of the high degree of Parliamentary Europhiles, with apparently, many who are personally concerned about losing EU subsidies....
    It was absolutely stupid, ( and probably raised deliberately to have such an effect), to get Parliament to declare that 'a no-deal' is off the table'....whilst this motion is not a mandatory imposition on the government, it will certainly encourage, and enable the EU to play hard ball until well after the 11th hour.

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    4,499
    Thanks
    972
    Thanked 749 Times in 623 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    Quote Originally Posted by Pro! View Post
    Since 2016, the promise made for the UK was one of ambition, prosperity and a new age .
    No it wasn't.

    The Remainers were asked if they wanted to remain and become Europeans ruled from Brussels and the Brexiters were asked if they wanted to leave and become British. There were a lot of threats and promises made, but anyone who takes notice of politicians and businessmen should not be allowed out on their own.

  4. #14
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Posts
    179
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 25 Times in 19 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    That seems to be the general feeling among brexiters at the minute .

    The trouble is , you dont have a party nor a majority in parliament for that position as i keep saying .

    In 2014 , we in scotland had a party in charge to wholeheartedly execute the plan to leave the uk if we had won.

    You won the referendum , but dont have the party to execute the result.

    Still 7 weeks to go , and whatever happens we will know , at least in the short term , what is going to happen.
    Being honest, I hope Scotland does leave the Union. It's been one sided, and I say this as an Englishman. I'll miss you, you're family. But if you love someone, you set them free.

    As for the rest of us, not sure about the short term. Can't vote Tory, Labour seems to abandoning their core so that leaves UKIP. Not the first time it was hijacked by left wingers

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...array-in-stoke

    The video of the lefty teacher rinsing Tristram Hunt (Jeremy Hunt's cousin (both also related to Virginia Bottomley)) explains much of why we are here today. (English haven't liked swallowing what you Scots have been fed for decades).

  5. #15
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    The Heart of England
    Posts
    9,023
    Thanks
    1,649
    Thanked 1,483 Times in 1,084 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Passerby View Post
    Twist the knife did make me grin. But personally, I think we should just drop negotiation and walk. Once we've left, then let them come talking.

    We will be dealing with a different beast to what we are currently seeing.
    Unfortunately, our government does not have the cojones necessary to announce to everyone that we are leaving without a deal on 29th March.
    The reason being, that no deal is possible acceptable to all parties.
    Then everyone on all sides, industry, finance, will make plans accordingly as they will have certainty on their side.

  6. #16
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    2,928
    Thanks
    9
    Thanked 202 Times in 184 Posts
    Blog Entries
    2
    Even if no deal becomes a reality, I don't think we should be afraid, It could be the making of UK. We will change, as we always have done to become more innovative, dynamic and more competitive globally.
    If no deal becomes a reality we'll have no choice but to cope. But many things will be adversely affected by leaving the EU and there are no tangible benefits. The country is basically shooting itself in the foot.

    We did in the past and changed to adapt to the modern realities and crisis-es.
    In case nobody's noticed, we've been trying to change and adapt ever since the Thatcher years and we're still in additional austerity after the 2010 Gordon Brown recession.
    I dahn do non-judgement'aw. ... and put ya blinkin' shirt on mate, wiwya!

  7. #17
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Wirral
    Posts
    3,062
    Thanks
    317
    Thanked 247 Times in 214 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperduck Quack Quack View Post
    If no deal becomes a reality we'll have no choice but to cope. But many things will be adversely affected by leaving the EU and there are no tangible benefits. The country is basically shooting itself in the foot.
    The unadulterated soothsaying of the Quacked one goes on unabated....as well as unqualified....however, some people and organisations tend to strongly disagree ......with good reason apparently...

    https://fee.org/articles/the-unseen-...its-of-brexit/
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a7104016.html
    http://www.jonathanarnott.co.uk/2018...its-of-brexit/

  8. #18
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Posts
    179
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevlin View Post
    Total codswllop ---- if you really believe that walking away without a deal means a win for the EU!! There would be NO immediate winners in that situation.....but future prospects would undoubtedly be better for the UK..
    On the contrary, in the long run what will happen is that industry based in the Uk which needs the EU market will move to be based inside the EU. Even with a soft brexit this is likely. The trust of industry that it is safe to base in the Uk will be gone.

    There is no reason whatever to believe the Uk will increase its trade with the rest of the world any more in the future if it leaves than if it remains a member of the EU. Nothing about being a member is stopping us grow our trade now. Nothing will be changed for the better if we leave. What will happen is trade with the EU dropping off, and trade with the rest of the world dropping off too as companies currently based in the Uk which export to outside the EU, move to based in a different EU country. losing the EU also means losing exports to third parties!


    ...even if only because of saving that ridiculous £mult-billion annual tribute to the EU.
    its 10 billion tops. It is nothing compared to the loss in trade which will take place if we leave the EU. It has always been very good value for money compared to what it has bought us.

    Whether you believe with remainers that being a member makes us lots of money, or with leavers that we would be far better off outside, the fees paid to the EU are very small compared with the amount of trade either camp thinks we are gaining or losing. although this number has been hugely fought over, it is tiny compared with the real sums being gained or lost by membership. And not to forget the Uk has hired 20,000 extra civl servants to do jobs the EU is doing now paid for with that money. lots more to hire yet.

  9. #19
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Posts
    179
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperduck Quack Quack View Post
    In case nobody's noticed, we've been trying to change and adapt ever since the Thatcher years and we're still in additional austerity after the 2010 Gordon Brown recession.
    Please, this recession was caused by US banks issuing vast amounts of worthless securities based upon giving out mortgages which could never be repaid. The bill for this was vast, and made banks all over the world bankrupt.

    The economy was running Ok. But then the banks had no money. All lending stopped. If you needed an overdraft to run your company, the bank cancellled it, because it itself had no money. The US defrauded the entire world and caused a global recession. And while it caused a recession in the US too, I can't help noticing that cash from outside the US must have flowed into the US as they sold those bonds. vast amounts of it. We never got this back!

    Compared to now, the Uk economy was roaring ahead under Brown.

  10. #20
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    The Heart of England
    Posts
    9,023
    Thanks
    1,649
    Thanked 1,483 Times in 1,084 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sirocco View Post
    Whether you believe with remainers that being a member makes us lots of money, or with leavers that we would be far better off outside, the fees paid to the EU are very small compared with the amount of trade either camp thinks we are gaining or losing. although this number has been hugely fought over, it is tiny compared with the real sums being gained or lost by membership. And not to forget the Uk has hired 20,000 extra civl servants to do jobs the EU is doing now paid for with that money. lots more to hire yet.
    You may think "10 billion tops" is a small amount of money. I would agree that relatively speaking it is small as compared to GDP. The real point is that it is a wholly unnecessary payment, so it's ruddy expensive!
    It's also a lie that the UK has hired 20,000 extra civil servants. It has merely moved a few people sideways, which probably speaks more about the over staffing in the civil service. But it hasn't cost 20,000 new jobs.

Similar Threads

  1. Hard Brexit is needed..its a no-brainer
    By treez in forum Brexit
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 20-09-2018, 07:47 PM
  2. Reality Check
    By stevectaylor in forum Political News
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 18-06-2018, 07:23 PM
  3. The dream....the reality
    By DeppityDawg in forum United Kingdom Politics & Political Forum
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 23-04-2018, 08:37 PM
  4. Replies: 15
    Last Post: 14-06-2017, 11:03 PM
  5. Reality Check
    By stevectaylor in forum Political News
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 04-05-2017, 01:01 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •