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    Quote Originally Posted by El Jefe View Post
    Its simple - if we cannot agree a Deal with the EU for our post brexit relationship we simply leave with no deal. We dont need the EU's permission or agreement to actually leave.

    Simple yes . . . but could I ask : do you personally care whether that lack of deal hurts people -- or is leaving the EU the overarching goal which trumps all else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conchúr View Post
    Simple yes . . . but could I ask : do you personally care whether that lack of deal hurts people -- or is leaving the EU the overarching goal which trumps all else?
    It will only hurt people because our leaders lack the courage of 17.4 million people’s convictions.
    If they did and played hardball the way the EU has, we would have a deal that represented the £67 billion trade defecit with the EU.
    I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    It will only hurt people because our leaders lack the courage of 17.4 million people’s convictions.
    If they did and played hardball the way the EU has, we would have a deal that represented the £67 billion trade defecit with the EU.
    You will not get any kind of deal that breaks the Single Market. If you want something different, you're going to have to modify your red lines. Otherwise, this is what's on offer, nothing else and good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Jefe View Post
    Its simple - if we cannot agree a Deal with the EU for our post brexit relationship we simply leave with no deal. We dont need the EU's permission or agreement to actually leave.
    And this despite the arguments that have come out of Westminster in recent days is what parliament have decided . 498 MPs voted for article 50 which states that if no agreement is made we leave under WTO rules .

    Or are they now saying that they didn't know what they were voting for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwalker View Post
    And this despite the arguments that have come out of Westminster in recent days is what parliament have decided . 498 MPs voted for article 50 which states that if no agreement is made we leave under WTO rules .

    Or are they now saying that they didn't know what they were voting for ?
    And in the same fashion, the parliament can vote again and overrule its previous ruling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Findeton View Post
    And in the same fashion, the parliament can vote again and overrule its previous ruling.
    So they can show just how hopeless they are.
    17,410,742 people said LEAVE!

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    The British Parliament is making us look like a total laughing stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    It will only hurt people because our leaders lack the courage of 17.4 million people’s convictions.
    If they did and played hardball the way the EU has, we would have a deal that represented the £67 billion trade defecit with the EU.
    I hear this a lot and, to be honest, it pretty much sums up Euroscepticism over the past 40 years : full of big ideas, lacking in actual answers.

    Tell us then, how would you have gone about making the Irish accept watery promises on the border? How would you have convinced the EU27 to abandon the integrity of the single market? How would you have argued to the EU27 that they should all plunge their regulatory systems into rickety uncertainty to keep the UK happy? How would you have convinced the EU27 that they should give the UK all the good bits of membership without the UK accepting any of the obligations of membership?

    You talk about "convictions" as if the other proud nations of Europe would have fallen to their knees in awe of the sheer convictions of the Brexiteers, that the Irish would have exclaimed: "Jaysus look how much they believe in Brexit, let them fudge the border all they want!" and the Germans would have been screaming: "Oh mein Gott they really Believe in Britain so let's give them a deal which plunges us into uncertainty but is entirely advantageous to them!"

    If this what you were led to believe, then I am sorry to tell you that you were misled. It is both a relief and a tragedy to me that a fundamentalist Brexiteer did not lead the negotiations . . . a relief because it prevented an antagonistic ideological clusterf**k damaging the country further, but also a tragedy because we did not get to see the Brexiteers destroy themselves when all their grandiose jingoist promises came to nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Findeton View Post
    And in the same fashion, the parliament can vote again and overrule its previous ruling.

    If it gets a vote - its the Government that controls the business of the house. Also there is no majority for withdrawing A50 (same as there is no majority for any of the other options)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conchúr View Post
    If this what you were led to believe, then I am sorry to tell you that you were misled. It is both a relief and a tragedy to me that a fundamentalist Brexiteer did not lead the negotiations . . . a relief because it prevented an antagonistic ideological clusterf**k damaging the country further, but also a tragedy because we did not get to see the Brexiteers destroy themselves when all their grandiose jingoist promises came to nothing.

    Yes having a Remainer negotiating the exit deal has been stunningly successful..


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