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    Not even a Labour MP can say it.

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...d-for-britain/


    This is how much Labour want a JC led government. Asked more than a dozen times this MP refused to welcome a Corbyn led government.

    Personally iíd rather Attila the Hun was in power than Jeremy Corbyn, at least you know what youíre going to get...But, seeing as he is gunning for a V.O.N.C in the government and angling for a G.E you would expect that his MPís would try and get voters on side.

    Even the most hardened Labour supporter is going to wonder why Labourís own MPís donít want him near #10.

    I wonder if if there are any Labour voters on the forum who cannot vote for Corbyn? I know a few in real life.
    I can explain it to you, but I canít understand it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post

    Personally iíd rather Attila the Hun was in power than Jeremy Corbyn, at least you know what youíre going to get...

    I'm not sure that's an entirely valid observation.

    In the sense I am pretty sure what sort of government we would get under Corbyn.

    In exactly the same way I knew what sort of government we would have got under Michael Foot and (god help us had he been able to get further than Energy Secretary, where he proudly announced "electricity too cheap to meter" ) Tony Benn.

    That's not to say these men were not to be recognised, dare i say even admired, for having the strength of character to stand there and display their wares openly. The country found out the hard way what happens with snake oil salesmen from 1997 onwards.

    The reality is we all know to some degree of certainly where a Corbyn Led Government would go. Straight into hell in a handcart dictated to by the IMF on the grounds the person nominated as chancellor fo the exchequer was trusted about as far as one can spit out a rat.

    Everyone knows this; some of us, of a certain age, beyond which free bus passes and about sixty quid a week in state pension beckon, have lived it, under callaghan and healey.
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    Lord Clyde: "Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services V Inland Revenue, 1929"

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    Here’s something I wrote for a disability forum-

    Taxed .


    The Country was still in a terrible state,
    As the Parliament sat for the Budget Debate.
    It was quite a few minutes before Philip Hammond spoke,
    Then he said, ‘Labour said no money left, and that was no joke


    So Whether your short, your skinny or even if your thick
    More tax will now be paid even by the disabled and sick
    Theresa looked daggers ‘pipsqueek’ look here,
    taxing the disabled & sick seems a bit queer?’


    Amber went pale and looked rather glum,
    ‘May I be exempt, I know I’m a pain in the bum.’
    Hammond replied and sounded quite airy
    ‘For that you’ll pay double, which sounded a bit scary


    Up rose Our Boris to tremendous applause
    Taxing her double , when it’s for a good causei
    Helps us to meet that large Welfare Bill
    He stared at old Jezza, oppose that if you will


    Jez shouted back I wish you’d resign,
    You scruffy tousled haired Bullington Club swine
    Boris just stared at him for quite a long time
    I suppose ‘Janis from Eastbourne’ will be your next tall story line


    The House was in uproar, the infighting went on,
    John Bercow banged on the Bar with his gong,
    ‘Well taxation so high, will take us all back
    To Wilson and Callaghan and union boss Jack


    I disagree said Kier Starmer & said with a smile
    Their taxation levels compared to McDonald’s plans would miss by a mile
    We’ll tax everything that moves , so let that message be sent
    We’ll tax you so much, you won’t know if you going or coming, or indeed went


    The backbenchers cheered and to the Cabinet sent
    A message so clear, this is how it went -
    Double taxation we simply don’t care
    But for those sick & disabled a discount is fair


    And in all the excitement, the damn Finance Bill was passed.
    With discounts for some , at’ blinking last’
    And now in the counties of England by day and at night,
    The sick and disabled get their tax discounts by right


    But they’re still taxing our booze and taxing our smokes
    And word is that they are even taxing our Little Lion egg yokes
    But if taxing our eggs is the price we must pay
    To help with more services then what the hell, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...d-for-britain/


    This is how much Labour want a JC led government. Asked more than a dozen times this MP refused to welcome a Corbyn led government.

    Personally i’d rather Attila the Hun was in power than Jeremy Corbyn, at least you know what you’re going to get...But, seeing as he is gunning for a V.O.N.C in the government and angling for a G.E you would expect that his MP’s would try and get voters on side.

    Even the most hardened Labour supporter is going to wonder why Labour’s own MP’s don’t want him near #10.

    I wonder if if there are any Labour voters on the forum who cannot vote for Corbyn? I know a few in real life.
    The fear is that there is at least one generation who haven't experienced a socialist government. My son is one of these people, and genuinely believes that it can work.
    Keep Britain British, whoops, it's too late

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Here’s something I wrote for a disability forum-

    Taxed .


    The Country was still in a terrible state,
    As the Parliament sat for the Budget Debate.
    It was quite a few minutes before Philip Hammond spoke,
    Then he said, ‘Labour said no money left, and that was no joke


    So Whether your short, your skinny or even if your thick
    More tax will now be paid even by the disabled and sick
    Theresa looked daggers ‘pipsqueek’ look here,
    taxing the disabled & sick seems a bit queer?’


    Amber went pale and looked rather glum,
    ‘May I be exempt, I know I’m a pain in the bum.’
    Hammond replied and sounded quite airy
    ‘For that you’ll pay double, which sounded a bit scary


    Up rose Our Boris to tremendous applause
    Taxing her double , when it’s for a good causei
    Helps us to meet that large Welfare Bill
    He stared at old Jezza, oppose that if you will


    Jez shouted back I wish you’d resign,
    You scruffy tousled haired Bullington Club swine
    Boris just stared at him for quite a long time
    I suppose ‘Janis from Eastbourne’ will be your next tall story line


    The House was in uproar, the infighting went on,
    John Bercow banged on the Bar with his gong,
    ‘Well taxation so high, will take us all back
    To Wilson and Callaghan and union boss Jack


    I disagree said Kier Starmer & said with a smile
    Their taxation levels compared to McDonald’s plans would miss by a mile
    We’ll tax everything that moves , so let that message be sent
    We’ll tax you so much, you won’t know if you going or coming, or indeed went


    The backbenchers cheered and to the Cabinet sent
    A message so clear, this is how it went -
    Double taxation we simply don’t care
    But for those sick & disabled a discount is fair


    And in all the excitement, the damn Finance Bill was passed.
    With discounts for some , at’ blinking last’
    And now in the counties of England by day and at night,
    The sick and disabled get their tax discounts by right


    But they’re still taxing our booze and taxing our smokes
    And word is that they are even taxing our Little Lion egg yokes
    But if taxing our eggs is the price we must pay
    To help with more services then what the hell, eh?
    A well written poem, but the disability allowance is the first thing I would cut back on if I were in charge
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    Greetings from Copenhagen -


    Some think of the disabled as inferior, even though they know absolutely nothing about them or their disability, for example, they may have a good standard of education, a good degree maybe, perhaps qualified in fields like the law or medicine, or perhaps used to drive a 747 or anything else of note, perhaps they had to forgo a chosen career because of disability, they may have been disabled from serving their country, or they simply may be struggling along every single day as husbands, wives, parents etc., but to some, the disabled are mainly just a nuisance , holding them up at the checkout etc.?


    I am disabled, and my relevant qualification is FCIBS , and I also have the Certificate in Credit Union Principles and Practices, as a Volunteer Chairman of a Credit Union Board of Directors.


    Further, I have a Degree in Economics, and several aviation qualifications but sadly no licences anymore.


    Some disabled people have families , and why not, some even have cars, the devils?


    However, I do see that non disabled people can easily & sometimes justifiably get up-tight when , for example ' they have just avoided being mown down by some Mobility Scooter driver who has no regard for others, especially if they give the appearance of being 'pasty eaters'?


    Obesity however, can be an illness in itself, or can of course be brought on by illness, but we can't tell unless we know the people , and it's unfair to judge without knowledge of their particular circumstances


    You know your disabled when your opinion mean less than others & some people really do think of you as inferior, even though they know absolutely nothing about you or your disability, to them you’re just a nuisance?


    Someone who is too bloody slow at the checkout, or who parks in a disabled space, which Is not fair to 'earth mothers and fat boys, who should have an entitlement by law to park inside the Supermarket doors, and who feel that the disabled spaces should be around the back of the stores, out of sight so that the disabled don't frighten the children


    Not all disabled people are needy admittedly, but very many are, and simply cannot work or cannot get work which is paid enough to support their families, and I know for a fact, that out of the two hundred odd disabled people that I am aquainted with , to a man, each would give up their disability allowance to be fit again!

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    Luciana Berger has had a lot to deal with in the Labour Party, and I'm surprised that she has stayed with the party with all the Antisemitism allegations flying around.
    That interview shows that she is clearly unable to endorse the current leader and as such, she should consider her position in the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Greetings from Copenhagen -


    Some think of the disabled as inferior, even though they know absolutely nothing about them or their disability, for example, they may have a good standard of education, a good degree maybe, perhaps qualified in fields like the law or medicine, or perhaps used to drive a 747 or anything else of note, perhaps they had to forgo a chosen career because of disability, they may have been disabled from serving their country, or they simply may be struggling along every single day as husbands, wives, parents etc., but to some, the disabled are mainly just a nuisance , holding them up at the checkout etc.?


    I am disabled, and my relevant qualification is FCIBS , and I also have the Certificate in Credit Union Principles and Practices, as a Volunteer Chairman of a Credit Union Board of Directors.


    Further, I have a Degree in Economics, and several aviation qualifications but sadly no licences anymore.


    Some disabled people have families , and why not, some even have cars, the devils?


    However, I do see that non disabled people can easily & sometimes justifiably get up-tight when , for example ' they have just avoided being mown down by some Mobility Scooter driver who has no regard for others, especially if they give the appearance of being 'pasty eaters'?


    Obesity however, can be an illness in itself, or can of course be brought on by illness, but we can't tell unless we know the people , and it's unfair to judge without knowledge of their particular circumstances


    You know your disabled when your opinion mean less than others & some people really do think of you as inferior, even though they know absolutely nothing about you or your disability, to them you’re just a nuisance?


    Someone who is too bloody slow at the checkout, or who parks in a disabled space, which Is not fair to 'earth mothers and fat boys, who should have an entitlement by law to park inside the Supermarket doors, and who feel that the disabled spaces should be around the back of the stores, out of sight so that the disabled don't frighten the children


    Not all disabled people are needy admittedly, but very many are, and simply cannot work or cannot get work which is paid enough to support their families, and I know for a fact, that out of the two hundred odd disabled people that I am aquainted with , to a man, each would give up their disability allowance to be fit again!
    Phantom, I have nothing against disabled people, and believe society and the government should support them. However, I also believe that they should help themselves, and the government in this country need to do more to clamp down on those who are conning the system and the tax payer. Allow me to give you a few examples

    1) A very good friend of mine has a son with a relatively mild disability, but is given full disability allowance for him. He uses this money for a motobility car. My friend has excess of £1m in the bank, and if he didn't get the allowance he would run the same car using his own money. If you have a child that goes to school five miles away you will need a car, whether he is disabled or not.

    2) A friend of ours had a bad stroke about 5 years ago. As result she stopped working for the council, and was given her full pension. On top of this she gets a whole host of government allowances. As a result her husband could give up work. Not long ago they had a world cruise, and stayed in a double balcony suite. This is something they couldn't have dreamt of when they both worked.

    3) My wife goes to the gym 5 times a week with a woman who is registered disabled and has a motobility car. Apparently she has convinced the authorities she isn't fit enough to work.

    4) I volunteer one day a week at an animal sanctuary. There is a guy there who works 4 days a week in order he gets his benefits. He also has a motobility vehicle. To be fair, if he could find work locally he would do it. My point is that he can carry out hard manual labour for 30 hrs a week, but the state are happy to give him a disability allowance.

    5) A friends son went down the wrong path, and got hooked on drugs. The state give him a nice little one bedroom flat, he can afford to run a car, and still has enough money to buy drugs. He has been told in so many words, if he kicks the habit and finds work, the state will have to throw him out of his flat.

    I actually have a few more examples, but I think I have made my point. You see, it's not always the claimant making false claims, it's the over generous policies of the government that are costing the tax payer a fortune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Luciana Berger has had a lot to deal with in the Labour Party, and I'm surprised that she has stayed with the party with all the Antisemitism allegations flying around.
    That interview shows that she is clearly unable to endorse the current leader and as such, she should consider her position in the party.
    People resigning because of disagreements isn't always the way forward. Where possible, it's often better to keep pushing for acceptable alternatives. But on the Jewish issue, if she's really a socialist, where else can she currently go? With her health and safety and social campaigns, she appears to have painted herself into a corner...
    The poster reserves the right to amend or completely change any opinions he has posted at any time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Know it View Post
    Phantom, I have nothing against disabled people, and believe society and the government should support them. However, I also believe that they should help themselves, and the government in this country need to do more to clamp down on those who are conning the system and the tax payer. Allow me to give you a few examples

    1) A very good friend of mine has a son with a relatively mild disability, but is given full disability allowance for him. He uses this money for a motobility car. My friend has excess of £1m in the bank, and if he didn't get the allowance he would run the same car using his own money. If you have a child that goes to school five miles away you will need a car, whether he is disabled or not.

    2) A friend of ours had a bad stroke about 5 years ago. As result she stopped working for the council, and was given her full pension. On top of this she gets a whole host of government allowances. As a result her husband could give up work. Not long ago they had a world cruise, and stayed in a double balcony suite. This is something they couldn't have dreamt of when they both worked.

    3) My wife goes to the gym 5 times a week with a woman who is registered disabled and has a motobility car. Apparently she has convinced the authorities she isn't fit enough to work.

    4) I volunteer one day a week at an animal sanctuary. There is a guy there who works 4 days a week in order he gets his benefits. He also has a motobility vehicle. To be fair, if he could find work locally he would do it. My point is that he can carry out hard manual labour for 30 hrs a week, but the state are happy to give him a disability allowance.

    5) A friends son went down the wrong path, and got hooked on drugs. The state give him a nice little one bedroom flat, he can afford to run a car, and still has enough money to buy drugs. He has been told in so many words, if he kicks the habit and finds work, the state will have to throw him out of his flat.

    I actually have a few more examples, but I think I have made my point. You see, it's not always the claimant making false claims, it's the over generous policies of the government that are costing the tax payer a fortune.
    The ** REAL ** problem is that for every one of your examples i can raise you one similar example PLUS an example of someone shafted by a system so overwhelmed it cannot manage to highlight their UTTERLY GENUINE need from the forest of lead swingers cheats scoundrels and thieves.

    Recent changes have thrown three people who I PERSONALLY worked with and did business with while i was employed in Ross on Wye out of their jobs. Two of those used motability cars provided by their disability allowance to get to a job in the Company I worked for. You may scorn their employment as a mere call centre operator but the bottom line is they were the voice that woukd listen at the end of a cancer care help line and they were, to be blunt. f**king GOOD at that job. Now they sit at home in their houses, a prisoner of the new regulations and a burden on the state where they were once a tax payer ....

    The third was a till operative at Morrissons who I often chatted to while getting my lunch, because I deliberately chose her till because she was actually faster .... why ? well I presume ass holes who used their prejudice, not their eyes, thought a till operator in a wheelchair would somehow be slower.

    I piss on those who create an environment in which these people are denied useful, valuable to others work because the system says they must be denied the means to do that work.

    And I say that as one who routinely had the door to the office foyer held open for him by a wheelchair bound bloke with two buggered legs and one dodgy arm. We used to find it singularly amusing that I was off to work on floor two for a defence company dedicated to making ways to blow limbs off, while he worked on the first, for the government agency subsidising their rehabilitation after my opposite numbers stuff had done it's job and blown said squaddies arm off

    But that was the 80s when those men in that need still had a civil service that actually cared for their situation ...
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    Lord Clyde: "Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services V Inland Revenue, 1929"

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