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    Quote Originally Posted by johnofgwent View Post
    The reality is, the fact most people still seemed to freeze their nuts off if jumping into the sea before march in anything less than a drysuit….
    And if the sea is ever warm enough before March for us not to need a drysuit, warming would already have been disastrous.

    As for your conspiracy theory
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    about scientists only spouting it for the money, where is your proof of that? Because I think such
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    belongs in the conspiracy theory section and should not be part of any intelligent debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftylib View Post
    I did state the facts succinctly having read your shite.

    The notion that scientists are selling bullshit in return for lucrative research funding or some such shite is a conspiracy theory, no more - something straight out of the sci fi 80s series V. And belongs in the conspiracy theory section. It is not serious politics.

    That CO2 is a result of warming and not a cause of it is bullshit of the first order too. It is precisely the thick CO2 atmosphere of venus trapping heat that CAUSES it's huge temperatures. CO2 is a scientifically demonstrable cause of warming, not merely just a result of it.

    If you talk shite do not expect too detailed a response. Because "the same lines" I spouted happen to be the fecking truth, lol.

    I dont expect a detailed response, I expect the usual propaganda with the only truth being C02 is a greenhouse gas.

    No debate about what % is in the atmosphere, no debate about what % man contributes every year.
    No debate about the fact that historically the earth has had much higher levels of C02.

    You dont acknowledge that 2000 scientists mentioned in the IPCC report told them their climate science was wrong and asked for their names to be removed.

    You just tell people they are talking shite because you don’t agree and can’t be bothered to show the science to support your claim.
    I can explain it to you, but I canít understand it for you.

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    You dont acknowledge that 2000 scientists mentioned in the IPCC report told them their climate science was wrong and asked for their names to be removed.
    Only because I am smarter than they are,they only got away with it as long as there was nobody who could question them and only believe everything they were told without the knowledge to question it.So like I said somewhere or another if you want to use it as an advantage there are other ways of doing so.
    Which it would seem the Russians and the Americans for even longer have been doing so.
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    CO2 levels were typically at 200 parts per million (ppm) during the last ice ages and 280 ppm in the warmer interglacial periods. They now stand at over 400ppm.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_res...arbon-dioxide/

    The last time CO2 levels were this high, we did not exist and sea levels were 100 feet higher.

    http://www.climatecentral.org/news/t...nt-exist-15938

    There have been times in the past when - due to things like high volcanic activity levels - the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere was substancially higher. In the Cambrian era 500 years ago it was as high as 4000ppm, though this was a time of no life on land and everything living in the warmer seas. And since the Sun is getting gradually hotter over time, it would have been significantly cooler that long ago, so giving out less heat to be trapped in the first place.

    During the age of the dinosaurs CO2 levels reaches as high as 2000ppm, but in consequence this was a hothouse earth where reptilian and tropical life flourished. Were we to have a similar climate today, most of our plant and animal life would die because it is not adapted for such conditions.

    Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 currently stand at 0.041%, but this is twice as much as during pre-industrial times. And whilst the percentage is small, it is a very powerful greenhouse gas and proportionally small temperature increases can be very significant. Because the temperature baseline is not 0 C as many assume, but absolute zero which is minus 273 C, or 0 Kelvin (K)

    So the average ambient temperature of the Earth is somewhere about 300 K (27 C). A 5 degree increase would be utterly devastating, yet would only represent an increase over the baseline of some 1.7%. The 2 C rise being spoken about most often at the moment represents only about a 0.7% increase in overall temperatures, but the climatic impact could be substantial.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon...27s_atmosphere

    There is also a time lag between emissions of CO2 into the atmosphere, and the full impact being felt. That time lag is greater the larger the emissions. So we are not yet feeling the full effects of the CO2 already pumped out. That is already in the pipeline and unstoppable...

    http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10...26/10/3/031001

    As for climate science being wrong, it is an ongoing process with a more accurate picture emerging as more knowledge is gained, so some earlier assumptions can be wrong. That is par for the course.

    The fact remains that all I have posted above is true today, the vast majority of scientists - whose judgement in the field is likely to be rather more accurate than yours methinks, lol - accept the reality of global warming because the scientific evidence is solid. And many of the small number of dissenters are actually in the pay of the oil companies and other major CO2 polluters. THIS is where scientists are selling their souls for money.

    Now I have shown far more science - including links to sources - than you have. Not a single link from you thus far. Just your own unconvincing words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftylib View Post
    And if the sea is ever warm enough before March for us not to need a drysuit, warming would already have been disastrous.

    As for your conspiracy theory bollocks about scientists only spouting it for the money, where is your proof of that? Because I think such bullshit belongs in the conspiracy theory section and should not be part of any intelligent debate.
    Now just imagine trying to explain to tell Lefty Lib that the shortage of clean drinking water in Africa could have been sorted with so much ease,large scale water desalination,with rising sea levels who never thought of building sea water desalination plants and building pipelines so it could be transported.All those hundreds of billions over the decades sent and still the cry of they need clean water.But then what would his other neo Liberals do for a job then.
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    Not only that,you get all the sea salt and minerals back,which can be used in other processes,so you also get a return.If brains were dynamite there certainly wouldn't be many hats blown off.
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    Here is an all too typical example of who is calling the tune of the climate change deniers....

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...eptics-funding

    And another....

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...s-8467665.html

    And human CO2 emissions account for some three quarters of current global warming....

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...rs-of-climate/

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    So you lower the sea level,create clean water for drinking and irrigation,create crops and feed the people.No need to send them AK 47's.
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    Well I have decided to turn the swimming pool into a Koi pond , Im sure the fish will enjoy the space more . Climate change though is something I have mocked over the years ,mainly because it was driven by the green lobby that didn't have a clue what to do next other than impose taxes and giant windmills upon us

    I came across the NASA site a while back and my thinking is that if they have made the effort to send stuff into space to look at our climate the least I can do is have a read of it .
    https://climate.nasa.gov/

    Interesting read and one that would suggest that the future is one in which the human race will have to change its way's ,overcome , adapt and most importantly think of future generations . Before that can happen though we must get the science right ,not for the benefit of the manufacturer of windmills and short term profits of the green industries but for mankind .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwalker View Post
    Thanks for that. A great and informative read full of stark facts.

    Atmospheric CO2 is at 410 ppm and rising. Prior to a little before 1950 it had never been above 300ppm throughout human history.

    Global average temperatures 0.9 C warmer than in pre-industrial times, most of this having occurred since 1950.

    The Arctic ice sheets are shrinking by 12.8% every decade, which rate is accelerating.

    413 billion tonnes of ice is melting from the ice sheets every year.

    97% of climate scientists believe in the reality of global warming. (Most of the other pitiful 3% are in the pay of climate change deniers and CO2 polluters like the oil companies, lol)
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