Comedian refused to sign 'behavioural agreement' before gig

[boggart]

What did she say? I missed PMQs as I currently find the baying mob to be misplaced. Anyway, Margaret Hodge being interviewed and saying Corbyn crossed the line and is now demonstrating antisemitism and racism.

Also in the same interview with Nick Ferrari, it was said that for the first time that there were more than 100 reports of antisemitic attacks a month. I do wonder how many of these incidence are carried out by another minority group? It's easy to try and portray it as being WASPs who are responsible, but we are a varied collection of mono-cultures in this country.

[Major Sinic]

Who is concentrating on Labour? Its the Labour politicians that are, that's who. You seem to be making it out as partisan, but the other parties have said little or nothing about it, instead leaving Labour sort it out with Labour. Again, you are dismissing out of hand, the concerns of Jewish Labour MPs/politicians (some who needed bodyguards at their conference). Just putting it down as agenda driven. But there is no agenda of course in the work that Full Fact linked to, is there? I would suggest that that your stance is bordering on antisemitism.

I do agree with your view on this.

It should worry and concern all of us that Corbyn’s candidacy as a potential prime minister has been largely unaffected by the fact that he and his party have a lamentable record when it comes to anti-Semitism.It’s hard to imagine Corbyn surviving as leader if any other minority had been subjected to the same treatment as British Jews have been by Labour Party members.

At a meeting of Labour MPs earlier this week, the party’s general secretary Jennie Formby twice said that eradicating anti-Semitism from Labour would be impossible. Perhaps those in charge should make a greater effort to do so. Take the case of ex-MP and local councillor Jim Sheridan, who last year wrote a Facebook post announcing that he no longer felt “respect and empathy” for the Jewish community because of “what they and their Blairite plotters are doing to my party”. What he wrote on that occasion can undoubtedly be described as anti-semitism.

Sheridan was suspended from membership of the party but was readmitted without having had to face any disciplinary action other than the suspension itself.
The other recent case that should surely test the tolerance of Labour MPs is that of Professor David Miller of Bristol University, whose description of Israel as “a racist endeavour” challenges the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti-Semitism which Labour only very reluctantly agreed to adopt last year.

On top of these high-profile cases, we have a party establishment that is refusing, despite MPs’ demands, to release figures on the backlog of cases of antisemitism that have yet to be dealt with, despite Corbyn’s own public apology for the “hurt and pain” caused to the Jewish community by incidences of antisemitism within his party.

Labour’s pride in being opposed to “all forms of racism” does not, in fact, stand up to much scrutiny. Corbyn still refuses to recognise that his accommodation of groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah unambiguously anti-Semitic organisations who encourage their followers to kill Jews – has sent a very dangerous signal to both the Jewish community and to those who would wish it harm.

Young, naive Corbyn supporters are selective when it comes to their objection to fascism: they are only too happy to march and protest against Tommy Robinson’s EDL but they remain hypocritically silent when challenged over their tolerance of the Al Quds annual festival in London, when Israel is regularly demonised and anti-Semitic terrorist organisations like Hezbollah are applauded.
That fear of offending members of ethnic minorities and particularly Muslims is part of Corbyn’s Labour’s reluctance to challenge anti-Semitism in all its forms. Another part is the ambition of extending Labour even further to the left. Corbyn’s elevation to the leadership provides a political home for a extreme left groups who have spent their entire being blaming the failure of their brand of revolutionary Marxism on a conspiracy by the establishment.

Labour MPs and an increasing number of grassroots members, judging by recent reports of falling membership rolls, have spent the last three years publicly and privately complaining about Corbyn and his tolerance for anti-Semitism. At what point do MPs and moderate Labour supporters decide that their leader’s tolerance of intolerance can no longer be tolerated?

[lankou]

What did she say? .

Repeated the same bullshine lies and propaganda about Corbyn as the gutter press did, in two PMQs running. She is just not fit for public office.

[boggart]

Repeated the same bullshine lies and propaganda about Corbyn as the gutter press did, in two PMQs running. She is just not fit for public office.

So I'll take it that you are doing the bullshining seeing as you cannot back up what you wrote. Alas, this seems to be a rather comment trait with your posts.

[lankou]

So I'll take it that you are doing the bullshining seeing as you cannot back up what you wrote. Alas, this seems to be a rather comment trait with your posts.

PMQs are a matter of public record on Hansard.

[boggart]

Labour MPs and an increasing number of grassroots members, judging by recent reports of falling membership rolls, have spent the last three years publicly and privately complaining about Corbyn and his tolerance for anti-Semitism. At what point do MPs and moderate Labour supporters decide that their leader’s tolerance of intolerance can no longer be tolerated?

Maybe it's a numbers game. The 2011 census (England & Wales) said that 263k stated they were Jews. Nearly 55k of them live in Barnet, and this is the biggest concentration. I believe that that borough is covered in various parts by 3 MPs - Freer (Con, Finchley & Golders Green), Offord (Con, Hendon) and Villiers (Con, Chipping Barnet). I think that the next biggest group live in Hackney, and this is about 11k. So in the rest of England & Wales, that would be 197k across 563 constituencies (ie not very many). Then consider those eligible to vote, and that lowers it even more.

ie, the Jewish vote is not going to win you an election in this country.

[Know it]

I wonder what will happen to those idiots when the have to function in the real world in order to earn a living.

I'd just love to see their faces when my friends and I are discussing immigration my local pub

[Baron von Lotsov]

There's a bit of a flaw in that C4 link.

The statements included stereotypes and tropes that are often associated with antisemitism, including “British Jewish people chase money more than other British people” and “Jewish people talk about the Holocaust just to further their political agenda.”

The problem is who decides what is antisemitic and what isn't.

Well it is still an interesting survey. Can you see how the older you get the less PC you are, and that women are more PC than men, and Labour more so than the Cons, and Remain more so than those who don't like the EU? It's showing us what the state thinks of certain demographics. Green means they have gone with the program. Green is bad. Red means they are disrespected by uber PC Ch4. So take account of what it is really measuring, and it is telling you something there.

[boggart]

Yes Baron, I think that the older one gets, the less PC you are. But is somewhat goes back to what is considered PC and what isn't. Who are the arbiters of this? Usually idealistic liberals in their 20s and 30s would be my guess. The further past that age, the less you know might agree with them. And really, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. The one that I am currently really, really struggling with is transgenderism and all this gender identity nonsense. To me its very simple - XX or XY, and that is as unambiguous as you can get. You are born that way, and you will die that way. The question I always wonder about, is why "can't" I hold those views without being accused of being transphobic?

[Baron von Lotsov]

Yes Baron, I think that the older one gets, the less PC you are. But is somewhat goes back to what is considered PC and what isn't. Who are the arbiters of this? Usually idealistic liberals in their 20s and 30s would be my guess. The further past that age, the less you know might agree with them. And really, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. The one that I am currently really, really struggling with is transgenderism and all this gender identity nonsense. To me its very simple - XX or XY, and that is as unambiguous as you can get. You are born that way, and you will die that way. The question I always wonder about, is why "can't" I hold those views without being accused of being transphobic?

I don't know about anyone else, but in school, when I was 6 maybe 7, and this was like the early 70s when feminism was really kicking into gear, there was a teacher who was probably fresh out of teacher training college, and she thought I should play with girly toys, as they had some in the classroom. Now I clearly remember what I thought here. I didn't think, oh no thanks, I thought there was something wrong with the teacher. I knew something was up like. I was too young really to express what I thought to the teacher, but ever since that had happened and a few similar things, I kept my eye out to work out what was going on here. There were a few more incidences as well. So how is it that at the age of 6-7 I smelt a rat as it were, and these ones who are supposed to be intelligent and enter university can't smell a far more obvious rat? That's the real worry. They are already damaged goods.