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    Quote Originally Posted by sirocco View Post
    Not at all. The classic example is that Germany does much better at exporting to the rest of the world than does UK? How come? It isnt because they are not EU members and we are. Its because they are doing something internal to their county better than we are. Probably that they are rather keener on government intervention and control of industry and dont just leave everything to the market.

    As to why the UK will give a 'bad' deal to the UK if we leave - it will not. The EU has offered us what it considers to be the very best deal possible. A full free trade deal extending to very wide areas which eg prohibit germany from subsidising its exports by giving its workers bad condition. Plus a say in how our chief competitors run their countries: thats amazing, how else could we get that short of conquering them by force?

    They have offered the Uk all this, they call it 'membership of the EU', but it is really the best trade deal in the world. But we have refused it.

    If we dont want that, then they are still offering us what they offer other countries outside the EU. They give special deals to help countries planning to join to get up to speed, but we arent one of those. So its a standard ordinary deal for us, which will not keep UK industry going which relies upon complete integration of its factories across the EU. All these would leave. All the fringe benefits of membership, such as special deals with all the other countries in the world, will go.

    But they have also offered us a halfway house, where we stay in some of the EU. Of course, we do have to follow all the rules for the bits we stay in. Obviously. You wouldnt still be allowed a pass for just the club pool unless you agreed to obey the rules about not peeing in it and using the proper changing room. And you no longer get to make the club rules, even the ones about using the pool.
    You should be telling this to all 650 MPs as stated so convincingly, there would be a unanimous endorsement of the Withdrawal Agreement.
    So why do you think it is not so popular at the moment.
    The main piece of dog poo in the custard is the badly named "Backstop". It's a never ending submission to control by the EU and the ECJ.
    We definitely voted to take back control and leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ. That's why the WA vote is likely to be the biggest government defeat in the history of the Houses of Parliament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    The main piece of dog poo in the custard is the badly named "Backstop". It's a never ending submission to control by the EU and the ECJ.
    Well, you only need to "submit" to that if you want any kind of deal with the EU. You can trade in with China, or Jupiter for that matter, if you don't want to trade with the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    You should be telling this to all 650 MPs as stated so convincingly, there would be a unanimous endorsement of the Withdrawal Agreement.
    I agree there are pluses to the UK ceasing to have representation in the EU and simply taking all the rules. It would save a lot of wasted time debating things we no longer had any control over, and the europeans would probably make a better job of running the Uk than does westminster.

    It's a never ending submission to control by the EU and the ECJ.We definitely voted to take back control and leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ.
    Did we? some voted for better trade terms with the rest of the world (wont happen either). Some voted to get rid of foreigners (wont happen either). Some voted just to annoy MPs (wont happen either, they will still be there.)

    Leaving the EU means more control of the UK by the EU. That is inevitable. We joined so that we would have a voice in what our most important neighbour does. And it is a very powerful voice too, because of the vetos. We have created a unique deal for ourselves as a member which could not have been obtained as a non member. That is exactly the problem the government has now. You can only get a special deal working from within and using the power of being a member.

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    Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019. 330,000. Still rising fast.


    Grant a People's Vote if Parliament rejects the EU Withdrawal Agreement. 133,000

    STOP BREXIT. 109,000



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    Leave sponsored parliamentary petition to have a second referendum unless the first had a big enough majority (which it didnt reach)

    4,000,000 signatures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirocco View Post
    leave sponsored parliamentary petition to have a second referendum unless the first had a big enough majority (which it didnt reach)

    4,000,000 signatures.
    link?

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    It was not a parliamentary petition, was it?
    I believe that the petition to leave the EU without a deal now holds the record for the most votes in a parliamentary petition.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirocco View Post
    Leave sponsored parliamentary petition to have a second referendum unless the first had a big enough majority (which it didnt reach)

    4,000,000 signatures.
    If it is not restricted to Brits, it is not valid for Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    It was not a parliamentary petition, was it?
    I believe that the petition to leave the EU without a deal now holds the record for the most votes in a parliamentary petition.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions
    You'd think it might make the news. Oh no, because that would make it even bigger!!
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