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    UKIP leader Gerard Batten survives no-confidence vote

    The BBC reports The party says it "does not endorse" Gerard Batten's appointment of Tommy Robinson as an adviser.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stevectaylor View Post
    The BBC reports The party says it "does not endorse" Gerard Batten's appointment of Tommy Robinson as an adviser.
    Jumping into bed with the EDL in this way is a terrible tactical move on UKIP's part. It perhaps appeals to a part of their base, mostly some of those who switched over from the BNP. But their votes were mostly already in the bag anyway. But many of those eurosceptics who are seeking a much more respectable form of right wing populism - and who have lent their support to UKIP in the past thinking it delivered that - will be put off by this

    This is a terrible tactical blunder which brings the party into disrepute, and an awful leadership decision. Bring's the leader's own political inclinations re racist views under suspicion too. The party might have been better off ditching both him and Robinson. Best chances of a revival? Do that and persuade Farage to return as leader and to openly disavow any cooperation with overtly racist organisations like the EDL. UKIP needs to get it's respectability back if it is going to really prosper again.
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    Ukip seems to have committed political suicide by chasing disenfranchised youngsters with extreme views. They are presently unvotable for by any right thinking person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Ukip seems to have committed political suicide by chasing disenfranchised youngsters with extreme views. They are presently unvotable for by any right thinking person.
    You are right. Although I believe that TR gets vilified and misrepresented, he is a violent troublemaker and as such a no no for UKIP, or any party.
    No right thinking person will vote for them again.

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    Can TR and his like, ever express views without being vilified and misrepresented? Even if their message is a valid one, it is easy to close it down. EDL started because of a Salfist group in Luton abusing returning soldiers. I think that is pretty valid, but it was ignored. That then led to an expansion to look at Islamists in this country, which was a very short step by some/most/all (you decided) to Islam as a whole. We do have issues in this country which aren't effectively addressed (maybe because it isn't possible). I have always said that the message and the messenger are 2 different things. The message started out with some valid points. The messenger has always been unattractive.

    It was interesting listening to Farage about this. He said that he used to be able to go around to traditional Tory, Labour, Lib voters and offer them an alternative. But with this new direction, that would be impossible and Ukip would likely turn into the BNP Mk2 if they weren't careful.

    Couple of things.

    1) There is a certain amount of self-aggrandisement about the attractiveness of Ukip. I never saw their place as being in Westminster, instead to me they were a single issue pressure group that turned into an EU parliamentary party. And actually they served a very useful role in the democratic process, as there seems a distinct lack of an opposition in EU politics. There purpose is almost done, although given the way that Brexit is going, it might rise from the ashes. As one of the callers into Farage said, he was Ukip, and when he left, Ukip became irrelevant. So it might be more the case of Farage coming back, rather than Ukip.

    Rambling on a bit, the question as to why May hadn't contacted him to discuss Brexit was raised. I can't help but think that, while being a wee bit full of himself, he could actually have offered something very beneficial. It rather highlights to me the petty partisan politics of the whole process. Or maybe, he could have got a leaving deal that was acceptable, rather than a "deal" [sic] that is designed to make us decide to stay in the EU.

    2) I find it interesting that Ukip is also vilified for being racist and has been pretty much since it was set up. Don't like the EU, then you have to be xenophobic and racist. Classic example was provided to me by my sister. I have in my WC, Spitting Image's "Tory Map of the World" https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:19343340 She came out of there all indignant, saying "What's that Ukip thing on the wall?" to which I asked what Ukip thing, knowing full well. "That racist map!" was her follow up. I didn't point out to her that the map was created several years before Ukip was founded, or that it did say Tory on it.



    I think that the above is a little wrong, in that there is no debate. Instead the shouting of racist comes and the rest plays out. But having said that, once a party has been vilified as being racist, it will attract racists to its ranks. Farage knew that, hence why he refused members if they had connections/membership with BNP. He always seemed to be battling accusations of racism, but people just weren't listening. Batten now has given those accusations a validity that wasn't really there with Farage.
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