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    Football Gone Bonkers

    Now, anyone who has read my posts will realise that I am a modern man, but football has joined the rest of the country and gone completely bonkers. Today's front page of the official site has a column on how the club is supporting "Rainbow Laces". I haven't got a problem with gay men, lesbian women, or bisexual people, although admittedly I have do have a bit of an issue with transsexualism. My point is that we support a football club, and we want to watch our players play football. Why the hell do we want to know about any one's sexuality. I happen to collect watches, but I don't carry a bloody great banner around telling people. What people do in their own time, and who they choose to sleep with is their business. I don't care if a supporter or a player chooses to sleep with eight people of the same sex at anyone time, as long as I don't have to here about it, and it it doesn't affect my watching of a football match. Where I used to sit there were a pair of lesbians who sat two rows in front of me. Nearly every time I saw them we had a little hug, talked about football, and sometimes life in general. I knew they were gay, and they knew I was straight, but we never felt the need to discuss it or put a banner over our respective seats informing people of it.


    There is NO place for advertising your sexuality in football, whether it is LGBT or otherwise. As supporters we go to watch football, we DO NO care or are interested in some one's sexual choices. Please Spurs, and please football, give it a rest.
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    Yes and no.

    Like you I have no problem with a persons' sexuality, and like you I do with transgenderism (although that is very different and nothing to do with sexuality).

    I am a season ticket holder at Southampton, and they had the rainbow laces thing yesterday, a bit of rainbow flag waving before the game etc etc and I did think it a little out of place. It is a football match and I am here to watch football not worry about someones sexuality. It is also inconsistent with the rules. FIFA don't allow political messages, although I am happy to be corrected on this.

    And then last month we had this..... https://twitter.com/southamptonfc/st...86993405218817 Trans Day of Remembrance. I was part of a discussion into this and how many people died through Trans violence. The answer seemed to be 1 in the UK last year. I did question why it was just the Trans community that was remembered, and not the Christian or Muslim communities that face persecution and death through religious violence. It was rhetorical as we all know why. It seems that the tail very much wags the dog, and any threat of being labelled a bigot over someones sexuality or gender is to be avoided at all costs.

    That's the agreement part. But the disagreement is that it is rather pathetic that fans and players do not feel able to freely express their sexuality. How many gay players are their in the Premier League, or any other league? And football chanting/banter has to be careful as well. Before matches against Brighton, there are always warnings about homophobic chants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Yes and no.

    Like you I have no problem with a persons' sexuality, and like you I do with transgenderism (although that is very different and nothing to do with sexuality).

    I am a season ticket holder at Southampton, and they had the rainbow laces thing yesterday, a bit of rainbow flag waving before the game etc etc and I did think it a little out of place. It is a football match and I am here to watch football not worry about someones sexuality. It is also inconsistent with the rules. FIFA don't allow political messages, although I am happy to be corrected on this.

    And then last month we had this..... https://twitter.com/southamptonfc/st...86993405218817 Trans Day of Remembrance. I was part of a discussion into this and how many people died through Trans violence. The answer seemed to be 1 in the UK last year. I did question why it was just the Trans community that was remembered, and not the Christian or Muslim communities that face persecution and death through religious violence. It was rhetorical as we all know why. It seems that the tail very much wags the dog, and any threat of being labelled a bigot over someones sexuality or gender is to be avoided at all costs.

    That's the agreement part. But the disagreement is that it is rather pathetic that fans and players do not feel able to freely express their sexuality. How many gay players are their in the Premier League, or any other league? And football chanting/banter has to be careful as well. Before matches against Brighton, there are always warnings about homophobic chants.
    It's arguable that players and supporters should be able to express their sexuality, but why, it's a bloody football match. Even though the powers that be are attempting to change the demographic of a football crowed, to some degree it is still a working man's game, and long may that remain. We are already suffering a lack in atmosphere due to middle class families attending games, and political correctness determining what we can and can't sing, so the last thing I want to see or hear is a bunch of people with chips on their shoulders telling us they are gay. Come to think of it, I don't want to know if player XY or Z sleeps with other men, women with only one leg, sheep, pigs, or daleks. If these people insist on informing us of their sexual preferences and then get abuse, then perhaps they may want to consider keeping their mouths shut.
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    Ah the good old myth of it being a working man's game. It's roots weren't working class, far far from it. The Old Etonians won the FA Cup in 1879 and 1882, and were finalists on 4 other occasions. The ownership and running of clubs has never been working class either. The crowd has always been a cross section of society, but as there are more working class than not, the attendees were predominantly working class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    Ah the good old myth of it being a working man's game. It's roots weren't working class, far far from it. The Old Etonians won the FA Cup in 1879 and 1882, and were finalists on 4 other occasions. The ownership and running of clubs has never been working class either. The crowd has always been a cross section of society, but as there are more working class than not, the attendees were predominantly working class.
    So, your going back to 1879, what a pointless post. Have you ever been to a football match boggart ?
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    One or two. Have you been to lots and lots?

    But I was actually going back to 1848 and when football was codified. Obviously not by the working class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boggart View Post
    One or two. Have you been to lots and lots?

    But I was actually going back to 1848 and when football was codified. Obviously not by the working class.
    Have I been to lots and lots? I have had a season ticket for the past 20 years, went to my first game in 1971, been abroad 9 times to see my team, and didn't miss a home game at Spurs for 12 consecutive years. Nobody knows the demographic better than myself. Yes, to some degree it has changed, and continues to change, but as long as the working class man can afford a ticket, it will remain a working mans sport. The amount of supporters who would be offended by an inappropriate remark are very very few. Unfortunately the UK is famed for catering to tiny minorities, rather than the non PC majority.
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    I've been going since the 70s as well, although you have age on your side and I was the latter half of the 70s. I did have a bit of a break as I lived and worked abroad, but I did used to trundle along to Ligue 1 games. Fact is that the majority of the population are working class, so you'll get a majority of the crowd as being working class, but that is not to say that the whole of society doesn't go.

    Just because you have had a ST for 20 years, and surround yourself with similar people to yourself, doesn't mean that the whole cross section of society is not present. Still it doesn't change the facts that football started from much higher up the social strata. The old saying is true..."Football is a gentleman's game played by hooligans, and rugby is an hooligan's game played by gentlemen." Two things I find strange....1) The working class like to think of it as their preserve. 2) Why bring class into it?

    Both those points are the wrong answer to the problems that are faced. And I am not sure that people are being priced out of the game. Not sure what your tickets cost, but the Mrs and kids went to the theatre on the weekend and tickets cost £36. Football is an entertainments business now a days. The problem is that often you have to pay 19 times that for a season ticket (plus away games), rather than the odd visit to the theatre, so the impression is that it is a lot more expensive. But go to the theatre 40 times a year, and you'll likely pay the same. But tourists, JCL's, prawn sandwiches do annoy me. I have a couple of spare seats next to me, as the ST holder moved elsewhere. The tourists that turn up, cameraphone to the ready is "intriguing". One last year in a seat in front of me even decided to turn up with a 50:50 scarf, which when worn, had the opponents stuffed in my field of view. (It was Crystal Palace - why anyone would want a Southampton:Palace 50:50 scarf is a complete and utter mystery).

    But, you might say, yesteryear it was much more affordable. I would agree, but it was a different era. Would I like to return to that, without all the overseas superstars and the razzmatazz of the Premier League? Absolutely. But it isn't going to happen. It's a different beast, and hence why things like you mention in the OP are commonplace.

    Anyway, I hope you lose tonight.
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    Yes, we are a bit off track. My season ticket at new stadium (when it eventually opens) is just under a £1000, and that's the cheapest. That makes us, per game, the dearest club in the world to support. Not bad for a club that never wins anything !

    I suppose the madness of football just reflects the madness of society. What drives me bonkers is that most people (including most of the minorities) think all this inclusivity and political correctness rubbish think it is as mad as we do. It happens because a handful of snowflakes think it should happen.
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