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    Quote Originally Posted by Javert View Post
    No, it's due to the fact that during the original Vote, the Leave campaign did not have any detailed manifesto or proposals of how they would do Brexit and what the deal would be.
    And yet they voted to leave. Perhaps because they just wanted to... errr... leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Jefe View Post
    Is there any actual indication that the rest of the world will suddenly stop selling us food?
    I was responding to the comment that everyone should just eat the UK food and be happy.

    I don't have any examples in mind of foods that you can't get from other countries than the EU, although there may well be some. The point is, if the ports are gridlocked, all imports will be delayed or held up, not only ones from the EU. Can you guarantee that the flow will still remain fast enough to feed the UK population?

    The next point is, even if you start getting all of your food from non EU sources, the prices may be higher (I'm sure others will say they will be lower, but it depends which economist you believer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott777 View Post
    And yet they voted to leave. Perhaps because they just wanted to... errr... leave.
    Everyone who voted to leave probably voted for one of the promises that was made by one of the many leave spokespeople who made many (often contradictory) promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javert View Post
    Everyone who voted to leave probably voted for one of the promises that was made by one of the many leave spokespeople who made many (often contradictory) promises.
    And your evidence for this is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cromwell View Post
    And your evidence for this is?
    Various leavers made various statements during the campaign. Daniel Hannan said "Any country would be crazy to leave the single market". Others said that a Norway approach would be good. Another said that Brexit would free up £350m for the NHS. Another said that we should be like Switzerland, and no doubt some said we should leave the EU instantly and pay them nothing - all these are available as videos online.

    What is your evidence that every single person who voted Brexit voted for a no deal exit from the Single market and Customs Union and refusing to pay any money? I've seen many interviews with Brexit voters who openly stated that their reasons for voting leave were not this, so we can find many examples which disprove the theory that everyone who voted leave voted for the same reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javert View Post
    Various leavers made various statements during the campaign. Daniel Hannan said "Any country would be crazy to leave the single market". Others said that a Norway approach would be good. Another said that Brexit would free up £350m for the NHS. Another said that we should be like Switzerland, and no doubt some said we should leave the EU instantly and pay them nothing - all these are available as videos online.

    What is your evidence that every single person who voted Brexit voted for a no deal exit from the Single market and Customs Union and refusing to pay any money? I've seen many interviews with Brexit voters who openly stated that their reasons for voting leave were not this, so we can find many examples which disprove the theory that everyone who voted leave voted for the same reason.
    And so we are back to undermining the referendum result,either you beelbeeb or both say you did your research before voting,so did I and many others who voted leave.

    The vote was leave or stay and the majority voted leave and since they did the scaremonger has continued remorselessly, and ain't it funny when you say this
    I've seen many interviews with Brexit voters who openly stated that their reasons for voting leave were not this
    And I've seen many interviews from prominent remainers Cleggy et al that said we were never told we were leaving the single market and the customs union,when they are shown evidence to the contrary that the then PM Cameron Osborne even Clegg plus so many prominent leavers said just that again and again amazingly for reasons best known to himself Clegg said that didn't count as the electorate being told,and all you are left with is a poster on a bloody bus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Javert View Post
    Various leavers made various statements during the campaign. Daniel Hannan said "Any country would be crazy to leave the single market".
    Sorry, that's incorrect.
    He said “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market,” which is different.
    Others said that a Norway approach would be good.
    Only if we negotiated out FoM.
    Another said that Brexit would free up £350m for the NHS.
    Again, you've altered the wording for your own agenda.
    "Let's fund our NHS instead" was the actual wording.
    Another said that we should be like Switzerland,
    What, landlocked?
    and no doubt some said we should leave the EU instantly and pay them nothing
    Pity we didn't, we'd be over it now.

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    Breaking news Kent Council hard Brexit warning

    I shall read the Kent Council report with interest when it is available in full:-

    More at Link:-

    https://news.sky.com/story/traffic-c...warns-11573490

    19:44, UK,Thursday06December2018

    The document also warns:




    :: 10,000 extra lorries would have to be "routinely" accommodated in Kent - creating traffic so bad that carers would be unable to reach patients, teachers would struggle to get to schools, and council staff would have to work from home
    :: Waste collection could be delayed and disrupted
    :: The administration of GCSEs and SATs could be compromised
    :: The number of migrants arriving in Kent, including unaccompanied asylum-seeking children, could increase
    Kent Council has already spent more than £20m on reinforcing the region's roads, and has hired more staff to cope with Brexit-related disruption at a cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds.

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    Good article today on the wings site regarding brexit and the latest you gov poll about mays deal no deal or no brexit.....

    The Great British Bin Fire

    Posted on December 06, 2018 by Rev. Stuart Campbell

    Brexit isn’t really this site’s remit, which is why we’ve been relatively quiet in recent weeks as the UK’s shambolic exit from the EU hogs all the news and Scottish politics has been relegated to a largely-dormant backwater in the press. Yes supporters don’t speak with one voice on the EU, and while we’re in favour of it we’ve long said that the indy movement can’t really move on until the fog clears and we know for sure what Brexit’s going to look like. Deciding whether to be part of the EU should be a decision for an independent Scotland to make, not a precondition.
    But dear lord, this is such a mess it needs to be examined.
    link is in there to the you gov poll in the paragraph above.

    mr campbell goes on..

    The campaign for a second EU referendum has always had a massive problem in that nobody in it can agree on what they want or what should happen.
    Should it be a straight re-run of the 2016 vote? Or a “People’s Vote” (surely the most cretinous term to infect British politics in living memory – who voted last time, badgers?) on rejecting the deal without being clear about what the alternative plan is? Does anyone really believe the EU is prepared to grant the UK another couple of years to flap around the negotiating room like a headless chicken hoping for an impossible unicorn to solve a fundamentally unsolvable problem?

    The most currently fashionable option – and it’s so manifestly idiotic we can scarcely bear to type this – is to hold a three-option referendum between what the Prime Minister has recently taken to robotically reciting as the available choices – her deal, no deal or no Brexit.

    So YouGov put that to voters, and the result was a wholly-predictable trainwreck which would tear the country apart. The results, which the pollster is oddly reluctant to spell out directly, were a dog’s dinner vomited up onto a pig’s breakfast:
    May’s deal: 27%
    No deal: 27%
    No Brexit (ie Remain): 46%
    In other words, the “winner” was Remain, but the combined votes for Leave actually beat it by 54 to 46 – a BIGGER margin, even after the last two and a half years of mindboggling incompetence and unbroken capitulation from the UK’s negotiating team, than Leave won the actual referendum by.
    https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-gr...e/#more-107817
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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    I shall read the Kent Council report with interest when it is available in full:-

    More at Link:-

    https://news.sky.com/story/traffic-c...warns-11573490

    19:44, UK,Thursday06December2018

    The document also warns:




    :: 10,000 extra lorries would have to be "routinely" accommodated in Kent - creating traffic so bad that carers would be unable to reach patients, teachers would struggle to get to schools, and council staff would have to work from home
    :: Waste collection could be delayed and disrupted
    :: The administration of GCSEs and SATs could be compromised
    :: The number of migrants arriving in Kent, including unaccompanied asylum-seeking children, could increase
    Kent Council has already spent more than £20m on reinforcing the region's roads, and has hired more staff to cope with Brexit-related disruption at a cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds.
    And from the link the head of lib dims on Kent council witters on about what people of Kent didn't vote for,no what did vote was 59% leave,hmmm no him being a lib dim what does he want,oh I know remain,
    Nothing wrong with a bit of planning or councils trying to lever cash out of central govt.
    Sold down the river,well actually in this case the channel and substitute plantation owners for eu.
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