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    No it isn't no deal by the end of March.It is bad that they put this piece of garbage under our noses for them though.
    17,410,742 people said LEAVE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    It's both good and bad.
    Note that even they are now admitting that the UK doesn't have a say in the rules at present.
    Is that good or bad would you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    It's both good and bad.

    It's good in the sense that it (potentially) avoids any "cliff edge" scenario of the click running out before a future deal is done. Negotiations (and no deal iterations, if that's your thing) can now be conducted with less time pressure.

    It's bad (particularly for hard core Brexiters) because it effectively makes real their argument that the UK has to follow EU rules with no say in them. Note that even they are now admitting that the UK doesn't have a say in the rules at present.
    Where did you get that from ? The UK have 73 MEP's out of a total of 751. Only 2 countries have more (Germany 96, France 74). How can you think the UK currently have no say. But one thing is for sure, next April after any sort of brexit the UK will have no say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry T View Post
    . But one thing is for sure, next April after any sort of brexit the UK will have no say.
    Good we don't want a say , we don't want them having a say in UK matters either which seems to be a problem for our government .

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    Oops!

    Autocorrect in the worst way!

    Should read

    Note that even they are now admitting that the UK does have a say in the rules at present.

    Have edited original post

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    Nobody taking the poll?

    Who prefers the current (and probably only) deal to the current situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    Question:

    Now the withdrawal deal¹ is out in the open we can rank our preferences.

    What order (1 being most preferred, 3 least) would you rank

    A) Withdraw a50, remain in EU on current terms (however that is achieved)

    B) Leave with no withdrawal agreement

    C) accept the withdrawal agreement negotiated
    I'd have to go for B - A - C

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    I don't get a say, but if I did I would go C, B, A.

    I don't think A is possible, but even if it were, there's been so much bad mouthing of the EU through the UK media and politicians (not all of them but a good bunch) that staying in would be bad for the UK and EU. That relationship based on, well we really do't want to be here but we just figured out it's the best option available. As the UK have spoken through it's media and some politicians, the only real options is hard leave or take the withdrawl agreement.

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    Everything leads to either capitulation or no deal.Take your pick.
    17,410,742 people said LEAVE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beelbeeb View Post
    Question:

    Now the withdrawal deal¹ is out in the open we can rank our preferences.

    What order (1 being most preferred, 3 least) would you rank

    A) Withdraw a50, remain in EU on current terms (however that is achieved)

    B) Leave with no withdrawal agreement

    C) accept the withdrawal agreement negotiated

    My preference (surprising nobody) would be
    A=1, C=2, B=3


    ¹Note this is the deal that covers the withdrawal and transition period²

    The arrangements beyond the end of transition is *yet to be negotiated*

    ² the transition period will run until Dec 2020 but there is provision for this to be extended until "20XX" (so presumably 2099!)
    If you want me to say what's in the national interest, A, C, B.

    I suspect that C and B are probably ending up similar because the short term consequence of B would force the UK back to the negotiating table in short order and we would end up with something still similar to C but with chaos for a few days, and of course humiliation.

    If you want me to say what's in the interest of the Planet Earth, I'd probably say B, C, A. It's time the sense of national exceptionalism and superiority that many people in the UK and some other countries have, takes a collision with reality.

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