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    Russia blames Israel for shooting down of Il 20 Spy Plane

    Russia has squarely blamed Israel for the events that led to a Russian Il20 Spy Plane being shot down by Syrian Air Defenses.

    Israel had launched an Air Attack against Syrian Government targets in Latakia. Russia has accused Israel of using the Russian plane as cover for its F16's, which led to the Il-20 being hit by a Syrian missile.

    Russia says it reserves the right to respond

    https://www.rt.com/news/438687-israe...response-il20/

    So Russian Cruise Missile strikes against an Israeli Air Base imminent?

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    I think that the Russians protest too much.
    They and their allies shot down their own spy plane. It would be quite amusing if not for the loss of the 15 servicemen on board.
    How are the F16s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sampan View Post
    So Russian Cruise Missile strikes against an Israeli Air Base imminent?
    Is Putin so stupid as to risk a proper WW3, as opposed to the proxy WW3 we have at the moment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Is Putin so stupid as to risk a proper WW3, as opposed to the proxy WW3 we have at the moment?
    Causing the shoot down of a Strategic Asset, like an Intelligence/Reconnaissance Aircraft is not a small deal, especially with the loss of 15 specialist personnel. This is a matter of considerably greater importance than the Turkish downing of the SU-24 in 2015. This is a matter that will require a robust response, otherwise the Russian Military will lose credibility.

    I think also that simply banning tourist and Houmous will not be enough in this instance.

    Is a Cruise Missile attack an escalation too far at this stage? Possibly and could be.
    I do believe however that the next Israeli Air-raid party will find itself at the wrong end of Russian Air Defenses at the very least.
    The only question is whether Russia will consider that to be enough and immediate enough as an answer?

    For its part, Israel knows that it has been vital to its operations to keep the Russians out of it. They will be unhappy if this advantage has been thrown away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sampan View Post
    Causing the shoot down of a Strategic Asset, like an Intelligence/Reconnaissance Aircraft is not a small deal, especially with the loss of 15 specialist personnel. This is a matter of considerably greater importance than the Turkish downing of the SU-24 in 2015. This is a matter that will require a robust response, otherwise the Russian Military will lose credibility.
    Perhaps they need to consider the training of the missile operators. After all, the Russian trained missile operators managed to shoot down an international airliner (MH17) killing 298 people, with apparent impunity. Being able to distinguish their own aircraft with friend or foe ID would have been a help. If they were unsure what the target was they should not have fired. Add to that the jamming signals in use from the Israelis and French frigate at the time, it must have been mayhem.
    It is fitting, though that Russia should have one of their own aircraft downed by a Russian missile provided to an enemy of Israel. Those who live by the sword, and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Perhaps they need to consider the training of the missile operators. After all, the Russian trained missile operators managed to shoot down an international airliner (MH17) killing 298 people, with apparent impunity. Being able to distinguish their own aircraft with friend or foe ID would have been a help. If they were unsure what the target was they should not have fired. Add to that the jamming signals in use from the Israelis and French frigate at the time, it must have been mayhem.
    It is fitting, though that Russia should have one of their own aircraft downed by a Russian missile provided to an enemy of Israel. Those who live by the sword, and all that.
    We in the West invariably hold Russia as the aggressor is all things, and very often we are right but not always. Now I have respect for many of Sampans views but in this instance unless Israeli forces shot at and downed the Russian Ilyushan then they can not in truth be held responsible. That they may have used the Illyushan as air cover seems a legitimate tactic to me when in armed conflict. That Russia and her allies shot down their own plane is unfortunate and possibly less than competent but it is not Israel's responsibility.

    Again many in the West seem to view Russia as capable of waging a major war against the Western allies. I accept that Russia spends many times the percentage of her GP on her military than do any of the western nations, but Russia's GDP is on a par with Canada's and therefore barely half of the UK's GDP alone. Therefore even if Russia ramped up her spend even further her resources are insufficient to sustain a long term armed conflict against NATO. As arrogant and autocratic as Putin is, I believe him to be a clever man with sound judgement and can not see him entering into a conflict unless he is fairly sure he will win it.

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    Considering everyone has said with so many players this was just a matter of time,Israel as usual likes playing with fire,until of course they burn down the barn.Then PC plod will be around to lock them up.We all know Vlad is a deep thinker with a sense of humour,lets hope this doesn't dampen his patience.
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    Remarks from Putin today make it pretty clear that Russia is going to put this down as a Friendly Fire Accident; in public at least.
    I suspect that it has been made very clear that the next time Israeli jets come close to Russian aircraft and launch attacks without proper notice that Russian Air Defenses will intervene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sampan View Post
    Remarks from Putin today make it pretty clear that Russia is going to put this down as a Friendly Fire Accident; in public at least.
    I suspect that it has been made very clear that the next time Israeli jets come close to Russian aircraft and launch attacks without proper notice that Russian Air Defenses will intervene.
    I would have a bet by the headlines that he may speak with Netanyahu,I would say he already had,with a stern warning no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sampan View Post
    Remarks from Putin today make it pretty clear that Russia is going to put this down as a Friendly Fire Accident; in public at least.
    I suspect that it has been made very clear that the next time Israeli jets come close to Russian aircraft and launch attacks without proper notice that Russian Air Defenses will intervene.
    I doubt Russia really cares. Itís less than a couple of decades ago that it sacrificed many of its citizens who were the audience of a high-jacked Moscow theatre when it pumped in poison gas to demonstrate it wouldnít countenance any opposition from Chechnyans...
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