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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    Another 146 pages to read.
    Life is too short.
    Just give us the highlights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Another 146 pages to read.
    Life is too short.
    Just give us the highlights.

    Unfortunately knowledge does not come in sound bites. That link is to the report mentioned in the BBC link.
    There is still no DWP/government explanation forthcoming as to where 1/2 a million people have disappeared. For 1/2 a million people not to be on ANY database after leaving the benefits system is a serious situation that needs investigation.
    During the time period under scrutiny there was an off flow of 1.5 million from the out of work benefits system with 1 million of them accounted for.
    (Stated in the BBC link.)

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    looks like Sampan and myself were correct.

    "Some may be in jail or have moved abroad, while others are people on benefits who have been hit by sanctions and dropped out of the system"

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Jefe View Post
    looks like Sampan and myself were correct.

    "Some may be in jail or have moved abroad, while others are people on benefits who have been hit by sanctions and dropped out of the system"
    I notice you don't reference who stated that.
    "Dropped out of the system" is NOT sufficient explanation for 1/2 a million disappeared. It does not explain where they dropped out to and how and if they are surviving.
    In jail they would be on a data base, and moved abroad would be on a database as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    The DWP figures are correct, when someone leaves benefit the DWP does not track where they have gone, so the DWP can't collect any data.
    The problem is 1/2 a million people have disappeared off of the DWP data but have not reappeared on any other government department or agencies data.
    The Work and Pensions Committee question about it remains unanswered.
    Seems like they have stopped claiming. This could be for a mixture of reasons — eg, they've found work, they're are otherwise funded, they've left the country, etc. I doubt there's much cross correlation between government department stats that could/would match ex-DWP clients to new arrivals on other lists. There are more National Insurance Numbers (NiNos) around than adults resident in the UK. Even the ONS seems to admit such activity when applying it to immigration (where arrivals are logged) is little more than wet finger in the air guesstimating...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    I notice you don't reference who stated that.
    "Dropped out of the system" is NOT sufficient explanation for 1/2 a million disappeared. It does not explain where they dropped out to and how and if they are surviving.
    What relevance does that have with anything?

    The discussion was about how well the Tory government was at getting people into work. As you now accept that DWP and ONS figures are accurate then what are you arguing about.

    If someone comes off welfare to return to their home country or because their dodgy claim is no longer being paid, then how they are surviving is up to them.

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