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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevlin View Post
    Rubbish - his 'qualifications' for assessing the effects of Brexit are not diminished because he no longer occupies that position!
    More parody. 80% of economists, the IFS, CBI, Mark Carney, IMF, Nobel prize winning economists & other economic institutions as documented elsewhere are all wrong, but Minford & some random guy you’ve stumbled across on the Internet are right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remainer View Post
    More parody. 80% of economists, the IFS, CBI, Mark Carney, IMF, Nobel prize winning economists & other economic institutions as documented elsewhere are all wrong, but Minford & some random guy you’ve stumbled across on the Internet are right...
    More parrot than parody. Listen loser, for the third time, “80% of economists” are not “opposed to Brexit”. 83% (of those invited to complete it), were that concerned they couldn’t even be bothered to complete the fecking survey. You meanwhile have attempted to distort the results of a poll to suit your own agenda, then you have the neck to accuse others of dishonesty. (Comment removed)
    Last edited by Barry; 15-03-2018 at 01:19 PM. Reason: Rule 2.1 moderation

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    Just for the record, all polling companies receive low response rates to their surveys.

    Also contrary to popular belief, if you look at the record of polling companies in the UK and worldwide, their record at predicting results within the margin of error is pretty good in general. Usually when polling companies "get it wrong", it's because the result was within the margin or error that they themselves put in their polls.

    Media organisations often leave out the margin of error in their reporting, and certainly in their headlines.

    Saying that a poll had a response rate of 17% does not on its own invalidate the poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javert View Post
    Just for the record, all polling companies receive low response rates to their surveys.

    Also contrary to popular belief, if you look at the record of polling companies in the UK and worldwide, their record at predicting results within the margin of error is pretty good in general. Usually when polling companies "get it wrong", it's because the result was within the margin or error that they themselves put in their polls.

    Media organisations often leave out the margin of error in their reporting, and certainly in their headlines.

    Saying that a poll had a response rate of 17% does not on its own invalidate the poll.
    Just for the record, eh? Just for the record, the validity or otherwise of polls is not in doubt and isn’t the issue here. He was asked for “proof” of his claim that “80% of economists are against Brexit” (his words not mine).

    There are 3 issues here. First, a “poll” is proof of nothing other than the opinions of those taking part in them. They are representative indicators of beliefs or voting intentions. He needs to grasp the difference between evidence and proof. If “polls” were proof, Theresa May would be sitting in a Parliament with an overall Tory majority but she isn’t.

    Secondly, his claim that 80% of economists are “against Brexit” is a total distortion of the questions asked by the poll. It isn’t what the poll asked. It asked the respondents if they believed the effects of Brexit would be positive or negative. If he and you are going to cite polls as evidence of a claim, leave alone “proof”; then at least get the ****ing facts right and don’t present it as a conclusion to questions that weren’t even asked.

    Finally, he is babbling on about brexiters “moving the goalposts” and the rest, while proceeding to misrepresent the content of his evidence as facts in making a claim the evidence doesn’t even support

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remainer View Post
    More parody. 80% of economists, the IFS, CBI, Mark Carney, IMF, Nobel prize winning economists & other economic institutions as documented elsewhere are all wrong, but Minford & some random guy you’ve stumbled across on the Internet are right...
    Your usual crap response....economists, like other mere mortals, do NOT have crystal balls....as many of their predictions have clearly illustrated. You should realise that predictions are NOT facts......
    If you wish to continue the 'parody' with an injection of realism, then why don't you try and attempt to do that with 'FACTS' - not supposition.. One well known 'FACT' is that a 'majority' opinion does not make it CORRECT!!...and why not attempt to illustrate where, in the world , any national economy is SUFFERING, because it doesn't participate in a supranational political alliance...........now THAT, would be a useful FACT wouldn't it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevlin View Post
    One well known 'FACT' is that a 'majority' opinion does not make it CORRECT!!
    I totally agree. Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevlin View Post
    One well known 'FACT' is that a 'majority' opinion does not make it CORRECT!!...
    Totally agree.
    And it is obviously democracy being enacted when a majority opinion leads the majority to act on that opinion.
    So is democracy always CORRECT...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman Post View Post
    Totally agree.
    And it is obviously democracy being enacted when a majority opinion leads the majority to act on that opinion.
    So is democracy always CORRECT...?
    No because it is not infallible,but that's how we elect govts. councils and make a judgement by referendum,however because you don't agree with a particular result (and I have many general elections) you can't turn back the result.
    Also a minority believing they are correct doesn't make them either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman Post View Post
    Totally agree.
    And it is obviously democracy being enacted when a majority opinion leads the majority to act on that opinion.
    So is democracy always CORRECT...?
    If you look at the definition of democracy, I don’t think being right or wrong comes into it. It is a representative system of government, not a popularity exercise, even if some politicians try to play it that way. Being “correct” is subjective by and large anyway. What you believe is correct and what I believe is correct are almost certainly different. It wouldn’t make either of us “correct” whether we won or lost our choice in a democratic vote. We are committed to the majority decision, otherwise there is no point in elections or referendums.

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    As this thread about "leaked assessment" has run its course, it is now closed.

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