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    Attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter

    Although officially not yet verified, it seems very likely that there was an murder attempt on Sergei Skripal and his daughter and that this was carried out on the orders of the Russian state. Certainly it fits with Modus Operandi of the current Russian state and, in particular, that of Vladimir Putin. Within Russia there will be some who would accept the Russian state denial as the truth and others who would think that Skripal was a traitor who got what he deserved. Those who do not hold either of these views will tend to keep quiet about their opinions. It would fit with a policy of deterrence to any potential dissident (as if the dangers were not already enough) that if they betray the regime there will be no escape from retribution that will be not just on them but on their families also.

    I see RT have reported this neutrally but it must be tricky for the editor!

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    I suspect if the nerve agent used turns out to have been "Made in Britain," that will be a big embarrassment to the Tory government and the media/press.

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    I struggle to see any reason why the Kremlin would want to hit a washed up former UK informant and certainly why they would want to do it in this way.

    If we make the assumption that Skripal has indeed been living quietly and not involved in any Shenanigans within the Russian expat Oligarch community (friends of West mostly that cashed in during the Yeltsin era in actuality). Then the scenario that makes the most sense is a false flag.

    Consider the timing. The Russia has just managed to get the UNSC to agree to a toothless ceasefire resolution in Syria, that has no legal force in relation to the Islamist groups being fought in the East Ghouta area of Damascus. The Syrian Army has now recaptured about half the territory held be the terrorists on Feb 20th and are about to split the remaining half in two.

    The fall of the East Ghouta would be the final nail in the now heavily sealed coffin of the West's Regime change agenda in Syria and this is reflected in the levels of media hysteria that has followed the offensive, which has reached the levels not seen since the recapture of the City of Aleppo last year, which put the biggest nail of all in place.
    In addition to the media hysteria, we have dire threats from the West that Moscow would be held "responsible" for the situation.
    Right on cue we have had claims of Chemical Weapons attacks against civilians in the East Ghouta, which have been to put it mildly, disingenuous and even the media has had difficulty trying to take them seriously. Definitely the public have not reacted and made it clear that genuine or not, they do not give a damn.

    Suddenly, hey presto! a Chemical Weapons attack in lovely sleepy Salisbury, that the BBC were doing their utmost to link to the Russians before the story had barely broken (instant, consistant and well rehearsed, comprehensive media hysteria being a well established hallmark of the false flag/regime change playbook).

    So if Arab kids fail to suitably rouse the lethargic western public, then surely an attack in the heart of England must do?

    Why then Skripal? Well to blunt, a relatively minor but blown and fully washed up former Russian informant, has dispensable written all over him. As for poor unfortunate Yulia, it serves only to remind us that the term "collateral damge" is a NATO coined phrase.

    In short, the Skripal attack, like the alledged Syrian Chemical Weapon attacks, have no strategic, tactical, political or propaganda benefit to those being accused of perpetrating them. The exact opposite being true for the side of the victims.

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    I guess we have to wait for the police to do their investigation.

    It does seem odd because we do apparently know that this guy was already part of a prisoner exchange. One would have thought that if the Russians wanted him dead, they would have just killed him while he was still there rather than putting him in a prisoner exchange.

    It also seems to be ad odds with the MO of these things - from what I understand, once someone's been exchanged in that way they should be left alone - honour amongst thieves and all that.

    Also, it doesn't sound like this guy was actively causing a lot of problems for Russia in recent times, at least not in a high profile way.

    Wait for the investigation - in any event, a nerve agent attack on two UK citizens like this is clearly something that should concern our security services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sampan View Post
    I struggle to see any reason why the Kremlin would want to hit a washed up former UK informant and certainly why they would want to do it in this way.
    For the Kremlin, or Mafia, or whoever, publicly disposing of dissidents, traitors, adversaries, etc, advertises the dangers of crossing the boss...
    If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy DD. The poster also reserves the right to amend or completely change any opinions he has posted at any time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    I suspect if the nerve agent used turns out to have been "Made in Britain," that will be a big embarrassment to the Tory government and the media/press.
    I would hope the UK has developed this nerve agent as that appears to be the best way of developing an antidote...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman Post View Post
    I would hope the UK has developed this nerve agent as that appears to be the best way of developing an antidote...
    There is an antidote for nerve agents IF it can be used quickly, Atropine.

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    Atropine is a medication to treat certain types of nerve agent and pesticides. Therefore I would assume as many types of nerve agent as possible should be experimented with to find and test antidotes.

    Warning
    Pesticide and Chemical Warfare Agent Poisoning Do not rely solely on antidotes such as atropine and pralidoxime to provide complete protection from chemical nerve agents and insecticide poisoning.
    https://www.drugs.com/monograph/atropine.html
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    For days, Russia's main national TV channels were practically silent on the attempt to kill former spy Sergei Skripal with a nerve agent, but this changed in Wednesday's main evening bulletins. But the comments by Kirill Kleimenov the presenter on government-controlled Channel One's flagship Vremya news programme sounded like a veiled, mocking threat to anyone considering becoming a double agent for Britain:

    "I don't wish death on anyone, but for purely educational purposes, I have a warning for anyone who dreams of such a career," he said.
    "The profession of a traitor is one of the most dangerous in the world," Kleimenov said, adding that few who had chosen it had lived to a ripe old age.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43330498
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman Post View Post
    For the Kremlin, or Mafia, or whoever, publicly disposing of dissidents, traitors, adversaries, etc, advertises the dangers of crossing the boss...
    Any particular reason why you left off MI5, CIA or Mossad from your listing?

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