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    Israel v Iran and Syria with Russia overseeing is hotting up

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    Sheepy says Iran is next. They are building bases in Syria and Syria and Iran are emboldened by the Russians helping them out to defeat their enemies in the civil war.
    Another trouble is, the Kurds, no one seems to know whether to love them or hate them. The Turks have decided to hate them and kill them.
    The Russians are happy for them to destroy IS. Many countries think they should have their own territory.

    The Syrians are allegedly busy using chemical weapons to flush out the last of the enemy around Idlib.

    Now the Iranians have sent a drone from a base in Syria which provoked a response from Israel.
    Not really looking good for Middle East peace at the moment, is it?

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    The war is drawing to a close and Syrian Government are clearly winning. It is true that there is fighting as intense as ever, but what the media fails to mention, is that it is taking place in fewer places than it was a year ago and that the vast majority of the habitable areas of the country are at Peace and under Government control.

    There has been a lot of reporting about bombings in the East Ghouta area near Damascus, but very little mention of the vicious street fighting in these suburbs and the slow but steady Government advances within them.
    More significant however are the Government gains in North Hama/South Aleppo and East Idlib areas, where in the space of a month, nearly a third of rebel held territory has been recaptured from both Al Nusra and ISIS forces,
    There have been claims of the use of Chemical Weapons by the rebels, but this is an almost predictable claim that is trotted out every time they are getting their backsides handed to them. Remember the dream (and hope) of these groups is a Libya style bombing campaign by the West and I have no doubt that they have no qualms about gassing a few local kids themselves for the benefit of the cameras, in order to try and swing it.

    the Kurdish issue is very complex and not uniform. The Aftin Kurds have operated very closely and in conjunction with the Government (as indeed did the Aleppo Kurds) and have received a lot of aid from them previously and in this fight too. The Government is also allowing Kurdish fighters from the East,to transit its territory to reach Afrin. Ultimately the Russians are no doubt enjoying the discomfort of Nato as they and the Turks find themselves on opposing sides and in danger of coming to direct blows.

    Finally Israel. It is a great shame Barry that you and I sit on diametrically opposed sides of this argument and will never agree on the rights or wrongs of it. I like you and I do not want to risk an unnecessary heated argument.

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    Good resumé Sampan. Thanks for your post. I understand what you are saying in the last paragraph and respect your views.

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    It never makes any real sense,keep doing the same things and keep expecting a different outcome.Keep producing extremists on both sides and then create the opposing sides,it is only heading in one direction.So either the people leading the charge are either very stupid or very clever,depending on your view of it all.
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    When the Iranians had already warned the Kurds,that there was full Western backing and they would face an onslaught,while the Americans suddenly decided they would be no longer be arming them.They can no longer be a fighting force.The spoils are being divided up.The Turks get the job they relish anyway.
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    Yes Sheepy, the Turks were easily beating the Kurds, that is for sure, but the Syrian state troops are moving in to support the Kurds as the Turks are taking Syrian territory.
    Turkey do not want the Kurds on their doorstep because for them, a Kurd is a "terrorist". The problem in Syria at the moment seems to be figuring out who are today's terrorists and who are the freedom fighters. It seems to change every week.
    The whole sorry affair does seem to be coming to an end, unless it becomes Syria/Russia v Turkey. Then Turkey could ask for NATO support which would be interesting.

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    The current fighting between Turks and Kurds is in Afrin, which is a area of North Aleppo province up by the Turkish border.
    It is an interesting area, as it has not had any real US activity in it and the local Kurds have been strongly aligned with Syrian Government forces throughout.
    It also lies between two areas of Turkish proxy control around Manbij in North Aleppo and the its other holdings in West Aleppo/Idlib. If the Turks took Afrin they would take over nearly all the Western end of the Turkish/Syrian border.

    Government forces from the National Defence Force have now entered the area and seem to be fortifying around the town of Afrin itself. The NDF members are we are told drawn from local men in the North Aleppo area.

    I think the Syrian/Russian strategy is two fold.
    1) Show the Kurds that only the National Government will defend them and sovereign territory when the chips are down.
    2) To push the Turks to move to the next area that they have threatened which is around Jarabulous where the Kurds are most definitely part of the US Coalition and with US personnel embedded with them.

    This is why I admire Putin so much. You cannot force a knee jerk reaction from him or get him to make a hasty or rash judgement.
    Instead he watches and waits, plans carefully and hands his opponents a dish best served cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Yes Sheepy, the Turks were easily beating the Kurds, that is for sure, but the Syrian state troops are moving in to support the Kurds as the Turks are taking Syrian territory.
    Turkey do not want the Kurds on their doorstep because for them, a Kurd is a "terrorist". The problem in Syria at the moment seems to be figuring out who are today's terrorists and who are the freedom fighters. It seems to change every week.
    The whole sorry affair does seem to be coming to an end, unless it becomes Syria/Russia v Turkey. Then Turkey could ask for NATO support which would be interesting.
    Well I hate to to tell you this,but Iraq needs an oil port on the Mediterranean,which the Turks just so happen to have. The Kurds in Iraq were holding the oil fields who then voted for independence,politicians wars are not fought for freedom.They are fought for profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sampan View Post
    The current fighting between Turks and Kurds is in Afrin, which is a area of North Aleppo province up by the Turkish border.
    It is an interesting area, as it has not had any real US activity in it and the local Kurds have been strongly aligned with Syrian Government forces throughout.
    It also lies between two areas of Turkish proxy control around Manbij in North Aleppo and the its other holdings in West Aleppo/Idlib. If the Turks took Afrin they would take over nearly all the Western end of the Turkish/Syrian border.

    Government forces from the National Defence Force have now entered the area and seem to be fortifying around the town of Afrin itself. The NDF members are we are told drawn from local men in the North Aleppo area.

    I think the Syrian/Russian strategy is two fold.
    1) Show the Kurds that only the National Government will defend them and sovereign territory when the chips are down.
    2) To push the Turks to move to the next area that they have threatened which is around Jarabulous where the Kurds are most definitely part of the US Coalition and with US personnel embedded with them.

    This is why I admire Putin so much. You cannot force a knee jerk reaction from him or get him to make a hasty or rash judgement.
    Instead he watches and waits, plans carefully and hands his opponents a dish best served cold.
    We all know,that this is a smaller part of the global power structure,The Russians and Chinese are creating their own global structure,while the Americans followed by the rest of the so called west,has been doing the same thing for decades.Either way it is about the future global structure,Vlad knows it,the Americans know it.The Iranians know it,the Israelis know it,as I say we all know it.Assad has always known it.just like all the countries previously attacked and left in chaos.When power and wealth is concerned little people don't matter an iota.So although we all have a little joke about it sometimes,Vlad has his hands full and he knows it.
    As for Donald and his deep state,he doesn't have a clue.
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    The MSM reporting of the Syrian conflict just gets more weird and well, dishonest, by the day.
    The Ceasefire Agreement, does of course cover the whole of Syria, but for some reason only the locality of the East Ghouta is being reported!?
    What is not being reported is the ongoing Afrin offensive by the Turks and their associated militia against the Kurds, in what must be the most flagrent breach of the agreement in the country. It is also now obvious that the FSA (Free Syrian Army) is nothing more than a proxy Turkish force and only interested in fighting for the military objectives of Turkey.

    In large parts of the rest of the country, the Government guns have indeed fallen silent. The exceptions being against the remnants of ISIS in Deir Ezzor and the current offensive against Al-Qidae and its associates.

    In the East Ghouta itself a major offensive against the Islamists is taking place. The East Ghouta incidentally is a multi layered fortress with heavy implacements, reinforced trenches and a massive tunnel network throughout its area. Some of these tunnels being big enough for Heavy Armour Vehicles to travel through.
    The bombardment of the last two weeks has been all about reducing these fortified areas, to enable a meaningful ground assault to go ahead.
    The area currently held by the terrorists is about half that was held until about two years ago and the start of a number of effective offensives over that time.
    The East Ghouta has been a graveyard for the SAA (Syrian Arab Army) in the past, with many advances bought at a very heavy price and whatever shortages of food and medicine there may be, such shortages do not seem to extend to weapons (many heavy and advanced) and ammunition.
    The Syrian Government has moved its most effective assault units to this zone and the ground assault has now started with significant gains on the Eastern Front, led by the Tiger Force, that cleared out East Aleppo and City and then chased Isis from the Suburbs of Alleppo all the way to the Iraqi border last year.

    If there is one thing in which I find the MSM reporting particularly dishonest is the description of the plight of the civilians. The typical spin is that these are besieged and imprisoned in the East Ghouta by the Syrian Government. The Syrian Government and allies however say that the terrorists is using them as human shields and are shelling the humanitarian evacuation corridors that the Government side has set up. We saw the very same thing (and spin) during the liberation of East Aleppo.
    Interestingly the BBC does let the cat out of the bag with a short sentence at then end of yesterdays very long article on the Website. Its very easy to miss or misread.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43208705

    Al-Wafideen has long been the formal point for people to enter and exit Eastern Ghouta.
    However, only a small proportion of the population - public sector employees and males over 40 - were permitted to leave before the government siege was tightened, according to Reach Initiative, which is monitoring the humanitarian situation there. Women and children were reportedly forbidden by rebel groups from leaving for security reasons.

    Reach said risks included sniper fire, landmines, shelling, verbal and physical harassment, detention and, in the case of women, sexual harassment, humiliating inspections and beatings.
    So here we are. tacit admission that there is a situation where nearly 400,000 people are being held in a hostage situation by terrorists and somehow we are supposed to be supporting the terrorist hostage takers.!!??

    You really could not make this sort of stuff up.

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