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    Back to Work Schemes ruled unlawful

    Iain Duncan Smith will not like this:-

    BBC News - Back-to-work scheme breached laws, says Court of Appeal

    12 February 2013 Last updated at 11:36

    The government's back-to-work schemes
    have suffered a setback after Appeal Court judges agreed with a university
    graduate's claim that unpaid schemes were legally flawed.

    Cait Reilly, 24, claimed that requiring her to work for free at a Poundland
    store breached laws on forced labour.

    Judges quashed the regulations underpinning the work schemes.

    But Miss Reilly's solicitors and the government have clashed on the
    implications of the
    ruling.

    The government said it was seeking permission to appeal to the Supreme
    Court.

    It will also bring new, more precise, regulations to Parliament later in the
    day, but the case will be seen as a setback for the Department of Work and
    Pensions' flagship back-to-work schemes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    Iain Duncan Smith will not like this:-

    BBC News - Back-to-work scheme breached laws, says Court of Appeal

    12 February 2013 Last updated at 11:36



    The government said it was seeking permission to appeal to the Supreme
    Court.
    Well they might appeal to the supreme court but they and their coalition partners don't appeal to me and hopefully a lot of others come the next election.
    If people are to be made to work it should be at the very least the national minimum wage.
    The new parliamentary democracy,it's not the will of the people that counts but the will of 650......will come back to haunt them.

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    Oh good! Lets waste more money on these poorly designed reforms, this time by a long drawn out legal battle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opinionated View Post
    Oh good! Lets waste more money on these poorly designed reforms, this time by a long drawn out legal battle!
    That is only the first of several legal challenges to welfare reform policy.

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    The tories, lets face it, are half-daft conmen who believe they can get away wih murder because the mugs have proved amenable so far, and they have no experience of the real world or any interest in fact. Ideology can only go so far: people do begin to notice when they abolish any serious education, destroy the NHS and introduce slavery. If we could sell the South-East NOW we could get back to sensible living.

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    This is a very sound judgement. Trying to dress cheap or free labour as "back to work", gained through ostensibly charitable agencies who are out to make a fast buck for doing as little as possible, is clearly close to slavery. The fact that one these ostensibly charitable "Big Society" enterprises forced the plaintiff into Pound Land when she had already arranged her own work experience should tell you everything you need to know about the true nature of the Work Programme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cromwell View Post
    Well they might appeal to the supreme court but they and their coalition partners don't appeal to me and hopefully a lot of others come the next election.
    If people are to be made to work it should be at the very least the national minimum wage.
    You know what cromwell? I was about to launch into the fact that she is being paid by the State but, I think you are right, it should at least be at minium wage! People SHOULD be made to work for Benefits though.

    Thinking about it again though why didn't SHE just get a job down Poundland for minimum wage (with the possiblity of increases with promotion) & just cut out the middle man or is she hanging on for a newsreader job with the BBC & feels the tax payer should finance her quest for this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup100 View Post
    You know what cromwell? I was about to launch into the fact that she is being paid by the State but, I think you are right, it should at least be at minium wage!
    Why doesn't the forum software do half likes?
    The new parliamentary democracy,it's not the will of the people that counts but the will of 650......will come back to haunt them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup100 View Post
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    Thinking about it again though why didn't SHE just get a job down Poundland for minimum wage ?
    Because she already was working for nothing to gain experience in a field related to her degree. I really don't think it does the country any good to have people with degrees doing "work experience" for poundland, when they have already arranged work experience for themselves in an area relevant to their degree.

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    What seems most outrageous of all to me is that this young lady, a geology graduate, had already found voluntary work in a museum, which was relevent to both her qualifications and chosen career path, yet she was forced to give this up to do menial work of no relevence to her at all!!! And the force used was the threat of benefit withdrawal if she refused to co-operate, which turned out to be an utterly illegal threat anyway because the menial work scheme in her case wasn't even meant to be compulsory! I think this episode clearly demonstrates the unpalatable truth that this so called "work program" is a deliberate slave labour scheme for the Tories' business friends.

    Expecting the unemployed to do menial work? Fine, IF it is relevant to their chosen career path, qualifications, experience, skills, or somesuch, or if they are doing nothing else. But to force someone out of working voluntarily in a position that is highly relevant to their future, in order to force them to do menial work of no use to them whatsoever instead, also without pay, for a profit-making company, is simply scandalous. How much did Poundland or it's owners and/or bosses contribute to Tory party coffers? Isn't it about time that this sort of question started to be asked? And surely, if people are to be expected to work in return for their benefits, they should be paid minimum wage, ie only expected to put in enough free labour to earn their JSA at minimum wage. And the work should be for the benefit of us, the public, or charitable organisations, not multi-million pound businesses who ought to be paying their own bloody wages!Unless, of course, the claimant wants to do voluntary work for a particular company because it is relevant to his chosen career path. And those doing useful voluntary work already, in whatever field, should have that taken into account and be included in their work quota, and not be forced out of it in order to provide slave labour to businesses.

    But there are several worrying aspects about this legal ruling. First and foremost, the judges appear to have ruled against the government upon what looks like a technicality. They appear to accept the "principle" of forcing welfare claimants to work without pay for profit-making companies. And neither the government nor the judges appear to have acknowledged the stupidity and injustice of forcing someone out of voluntary work that was highly relevant to her, in order to make her do free menial work for a multi-million pound company that was of no use to her whatsoever.

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