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    Richard Harper Guest

    A new age of Democracy

    British democracy has completely fallen apart, with dishonest politicians that no one can trust in the system that no longer serves the public.

    The democratic process was originally invented for when the average person could not make himself heard in Parliament, every person in the country had to elect a trusted official to represent him or her in government, these MP's would take their wishes to the Houses of Parliament and speak on their behalf.


    This no longer happens, politicians do not represent their electorate any more, when they go to Parliament they only express their wishes and not the wishes of the people they represent. Modern MPs completely refuse to listen to the people and have their own agendas which they wish to put before Parliament, this along with dishonest and corrupt politicians has created mistrust in all the political processes of UK, therefore democracy in Britain today is completely defunct.

    When the Prime Minister is elected he or she appoints a Cabinet from their MPs, these Cabinet ministers do not necessarily have any experience or qualifications in the positions they are about to hold. If you were to run a company in a similar fashion your company would be bankrupt within months. Company bosses always employee the best person for the job from their credentials, I believe Cabinet ministers should be appointed in a similar way, including the Prime Minister.

    There is no reason why in this day and age we cannot hold public voting to elect each department head needed to run our country including the Prime Minister.

    With this system there is no longer any need for political parties.

    We can press the red button on the TV on X-factor on a Saturday night and 10 million people can all vote for who they want to win, I am sure that the technology can be created for the whole country to press a button and vote on a referendum and represent themselves or if her red button system is not agreeable then a similar solution can be found.



    With good production and well presented television program and media coverage, with Internet support it can reach the majority of the population so they can vote on the referendum of the day, informative arguments can be constructed in all views on any referendum so the voting can be informed and make their own decisions on the big topics that need to be made in order to run this country.


    For the first time in history a whole country can be in charge of itself.

    A system can be incorporated to allow anyone who wishes to create a referendum to do so. Maybe something like a petition system similar to the one that is in place at the moment can allow for suggested referendums.


    Some difficult and complex topics such as Taxation, Law and Order, Law and Order, Defense, Immigration, Welfare system can be tackled by everyone in a truly diplomatic way.

    This principle could be used on a smaller scale for local decisions in local referendums.

    This system can also be used to make laws.

    A large new idea such as this needs to be finely tuned and supported by the majority of the UK. A new updated democracy is the only solution to the political mess that we are faced with today. Only by working together as a whole can we finely tuned and implement an idea as large as this.

    I have created a website RE-BALANCE BRITAIN for any supporters of this idea in this fledgling state to come together and plan a new age of Britain. Starting from scratch and building a new United Kingdom that future generations can be proud of.


    So come to Re-balance Britain. Register on the forum and let's start work!


    Yours Faithfully

    Richard Harper

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    Greg Lance-Watkins Guest

    Re: A new age of Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Harper View Post
    British democracy has completely fallen apart, with dishonest politicians that no one can trust in the system that no longer serves the public.

    The democratic process was originally invented for when the average person could not make himself heard in Parliament, every person in the country had to elect a trusted official to represent him or her in government, these MP's would take their wishes to the Houses of Parliament and speak on their behalf.


    This no longer happens, politicians do not represent their electorate any more, when they go to Parliament they only express their wishes and not the wishes of the people they represent. Modern MPs completely refuse to listen to the people and have their own agendas which they wish to put before Parliament, this along with dishonest and corrupt politicians has created mistrust in all the political processes of UK, therefore democracy in Britain today is completely defunct.

    When the Prime Minister is elected he or she appoints a Cabinet from their MPs, these Cabinet ministers do not necessarily have any experience or qualifications in the positions they are about to hold. If you were to run a company in a similar fashion your company would be bankrupt within months. Company bosses always employee the best person for the job from their credentials, I believe Cabinet ministers should be appointed in a similar way, including the Prime Minister.

    There is no reason why in this day and age we cannot hold public voting to elect each department head needed to run our country including the Prime Minister.

    With this system there is no longer any need for political parties.

    We can press the red button on the TV on X-factor on a Saturday night and 10 million people can all vote for who they want to win, I am sure that the technology can be created for the whole country to press a button and vote on a referendum and represent themselves or if her red button system is not agreeable then a similar solution can be found.



    With good production and well presented television program and media coverage, with Internet support it can reach the majority of the population so they can vote on the referendum of the day, informative arguments can be constructed in all views on any referendum so the voting can be informed and make their own decisions on the big topics that need to be made in order to run this country.


    For the first time in history a whole country can be in charge of itself.

    A system can be incorporated to allow anyone who wishes to create a referendum to do so. Maybe something like a petition system similar to the one that is in place at the moment can allow for suggested referendums.


    Some difficult and complex topics such as Taxation, Law and Order, Law and Order, Defense, Immigration, Welfare system can be tackled by everyone in a truly diplomatic way.

    This principle could be used on a smaller scale for local decisions in local referendums.

    This system can also be used to make laws.

    A large new idea such as this needs to be finely tuned and supported by the majority of the UK. A new updated democracy is the only solution to the political mess that we are faced with today. Only by working together as a whole can we finely tuned and implement an idea as large as this.

    I have created a website RE-BALANCE BRITAIN for any supporters of this idea in this fledgling state to come together and plan a new age of Britain. Starting from scratch and building a new United Kingdom that future generations can be proud of.


    So come to Re-balance Britain. Register on the forum and let's start work!


    Yours Faithfully

    Richard Harper
    Hi,

    so yet another party to add to the 400 odd!

    Firstly you overlook the FACT that no MP is ever elected to represent the electorate or any part of it - they never were!

    MPs are elected to represent what THEY believe is in the electorate's best interest - hence the mess as the people were so very X-Factor brained that they elected self serving liars and war criminals like Tony Blair and those in his Cabinet - the economic illiterates like Gordon Brown, the EU Muppet Clegg, the dweeb Cameron need I go on.

    Sadly one man one vote is a guaranteed recipe for rule by the fool.

    That said it becomes clear that some form of franchised vote is imperative as a first stop.

    Then you have failed utterly to consider, let alone present the fact that around 80% of all laws in Britain are imposed by the completely undemocratic EU where you have less than 10% democratic say over the laws imposed upon you - further the balance 20% of substantive law must, under article 2 Section II of the ECA, be compliant with EU Diktat.

    You act as if MPs had some relevance!

    Good luck with your schism though I believe you have much to learn, as have we all!

    I submit in the eye of a storm seeking to turn the ship of State with a maelstrom on the one side and rocks on the other is not the wisest of moves - a move best left to Labour and we all saw the ruinous result just as involvement of The CleggeRons is no solution.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

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    Darkknight Guest

    Re: A new age of Democracy

    I remember (actually I don't... but I did read about it... too young to have been there... anyway, I am digressing) when Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes) authenticated the Cottingley Fairies... people thought it would be a new dawn for the fairies and mankind alike.... but it wasn't. The same with "A new age for Democracy," just a pip dream (every so often somebody puts their head above the parapet so some wanker can shoot at it). The trouble is is democracy itself. Allow all and sundry to have a say and you get confusion and unreasonable demands..... what we should be looking to is a sort of Plato's Republic... not perfect but it tries to cut out all the **** as near as possible.... then again there is eugenics ()

    Actually there was an interesting article in this months (or was it last months) Prospect about this very thing you are talking about. The trouble with these great ideas is you have to then wade through the scum and **** to get to the other-side....

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    Greg Lance-Watkins Guest

    Re: A new age of Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkknight View Post
    I remember (actually I don't... but I did read about it... too young to have been there... anyway, I am digressing) when Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes) authenticated the Cottingley Fairies... people thought it would be a new dawn for the fairies and mankind alike.... but it wasn't. The same with "A new age for Democracy," just a pip dream (every so often somebody puts their head above the parapet so some wanker can shoot at it). The trouble is is democracy itself. Allow all and sundry to have a say and you get confusion and unreasonable demands..... what we should be looking to is a sort of Plato's Republic... not perfect but it tries to cut out all the **** as near as possible.... then again there is eugenics ()

    Actually there was an interesting article in this months (or was it last months) Prospect about this very thing you are talking about. The trouble with these great ideas is you have to then wade through the scum and **** to get to the other-side....
    Hi,

    great ideas are relatively easy to come up with - converting them to working concepts takes a little longer!

    I gather exposure of fairies led for a short time to their being accepted, even encouraged but that very exposure and acceptance would seem to have led to their demise as it is quite some time since a genuine one was seen

    Watson may well have an opinion on this that confounds the logic of Holmes perhaps as he is a Doctor Watson may discover it is the frequency of exposure that most AIDS His Inevitable Veracity! Leaving us to ponder on the hopgoblins of Clapham Common and Hampstead Heath on route to Heaven!

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

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    Re: A new age of Democracy

    This is certainly a change I feel this country should have made last millenium!

    I don't think there will be any change from within however. A revolution seems unlikely too.
    Which pretty much leaves overthrow by a foreign power...

    Nope. I don't think we will be abandoning our 16th century political anachronism.
    The only people with the power to enact this, are the same people who stand most to lose by it.

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    Re: A new age of Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    Hi,

    so yet another party to add to the 400 odd!

    Firstly you overlook the FACT that no MP is ever elected to represent the electorate or any part of it - they never were!

    MPs are elected to represent what THEY believe is in the electorate's best interest - hence the mess as the people were so very X-Factor brained that they elected self serving liars and war criminals like Tony Blair and those in his Cabinet - the economic illiterates like Gordon Brown, the EU Muppet Clegg, the dweeb Cameron need I go on.

    <snip>
    Yes, this is the big problem I have with the populism that seems to have taken hold under Blair/Brown and now the Clegmoron. I don't have time to run the country so I elect one of the people whom I'd most like to do that for me. When I put my cross on the ballot paper, I'm voting to give someone a well paid job and I expect them to get on with it in a competent manner.

    One of the things that does surprise me though is that we do seem to have an awful lot of ordinary people who do seem to have a lot of time on their hands and a copy of the Daily Whatever to tell them what to do with it.......

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    Richard Harper Guest

    Re: A new age of Democracy

    Thanks for everyone who has taken the time to reply, It is true that I'm not very well read in the finer points of politics in fact as a dyslexic I'm not well read in anything. I'm just a normal guy who works on a building site failed at school or school failed me that realizes that nothing will ever change from within, if you worked your way up through the ranks then your end up in the same place as them. a fresh perspective is what is needed. i don't aspire to become a leader of anything but am fed up of waiting for anyone else to do something. all i hear in the last couple of years is people moaning about the state of our country and no one has any logical solutions.

    The truth is, the state of the country is so messed up, the only by wiping the slate clean and start again can you ever even hope to untangle the mess that win at the moment.

    yes you're probably right solution may not be to press the button on Saturday night but that's only minor details which we can find the best solution I am always open to suggests.
    Then you have failed utterly to consider, let alone present the fact that around 80% of all laws in Britain are imposed by the completely undemocratic EU where you have less than 10% democratic say over the laws imposed upon you - further the balance 20% of substantive law must, under article 2 Section II of the ECA, be compliant with EU Diktat.
    No i haven't that as well as all the other problems can only be solved with the referendums.

    I do understand that this would probably be a very long journey, along a very winding path and much will be learn't along the way. But I believe as well as others that this is the only path and the best journey to take.

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    Re: A new age of Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Harper View Post
    Thanks for everyone who has taken the time to reply, It is true that I'm not very well read in the finer points of politics in fact as a dyslexic I'm not well read in anything. I'm just a normal guy who works on a building site failed at school or school failed me that realizes that nothing will ever change from within, if you worked your way up through the ranks then your end up in the same place as them. a fresh perspective is what is needed. i don't aspire to become a leader of anything but am fed up of waiting for anyone else to do something. all i hear in the last couple of years is people moaning about the state of our country and no one has any logical solutions.

    The truth is, the state of the country is so messed up, the only by wiping the slate clean and start again can you ever even hope to untangle the mess that win at the moment.

    yes you're probably right solution may not be to press the button on Saturday night but that's only minor details which we can find the best solution I am always open to suggests.

    No i haven't that as well as all the other problems can only be solved with the referendums.

    I do understand that this would probably be a very long journey, along a very winding path and much will be learn't along the way. But I believe as well as others that this is the only path and the best journey to take.
    RH - I 'hear' your frustration and I share it, totally. Don't be put off by the criticism! The trouble with MPs is they don't even follow their own agendas - they follow their party leaders'. Secret voting would go a long way to weakening the power of the whips. As for involving 'we, the people' more in day-to-day decision-making, that should surely be a possibility, given the computer age. But look what the e-petitions have thrown up - a massive vote in favour of stripping rioters of their benefits which isn't a really well thought-through policy. And think of this forum. There is probably more specialist knowledge and experience among our membership than exists in the House of Commons but could we ever get down to agreeing anything? Something that may cheer you up and give you a useful line to follow is the Swiss system which downgrades MPs and does make a big use of referenda. (Referenda? Referendum?)

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    Re: A new age of Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Harper View Post
    Thanks for everyone who has taken the time to reply, It is true that I'm not very well read in the finer points of politics in fact as a dyslexic I'm not well read in anything. I'm just a normal guy who works on a building site failed at school or school failed me that realizes that nothing will ever change from within, if you worked your way up through the ranks then your end up in the same place as them. a fresh perspective is what is needed. i don't aspire to become a leader of anything but am fed up of waiting for anyone else to do something. all i hear in the last couple of years is people moaning about the state of our country and no one has any logical solutions.

    The truth is, the state of the country is so messed up, the only by wiping the slate clean and start again can you ever even hope to untangle the mess that win at the moment.

    yes you're probably right solution may not be to press the button on Saturday night but that's only minor details which we can find the best solution I am always open to suggests.

    No i haven't that as well as all the other problems can only be solved with the referendums.

    I do understand that this would probably be a very long journey, along a very winding path and much will be learn't along the way. But I believe as well as others that this is the only path and the best journey to take.
    The trouble is I agree with this completely and in every way.
    But it presents me with a problem. I am a stakeholder in this society. If there is a revolution, will I be afterwards?
    If I ask myself, what have I got to lose, then fear paralyses me. I have everything I own to lose.

    So before any of this takes place, before the country resets to become better, I have to leave with my wealth intact.


    Is the cure better than the disease?
    And if I have left, if I have got out with everything I value most... why come back for a war?
    When I think about this subject, the conclusion I draw is that if I emigrate, I will no longer think about this subject.
    And I will be the happier for it.

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    Re: A new age of Democracy

    I am very glad you have something to lose, a lot of us don't anymore. I wish i could emigrate, but i can't even afford Hosting for the website i have to stick it on the back of another, The recession took any wealth i had and the culprits were not punished. Bankers cost this country trillions and weren't punished but a few idiots had a riot for no good reason costing a few million and got relatively severely spanked.

    I'm not moaning because you have something i don't, good on you, like a lot of people we are pissed because of the injustice.

    It seems, to the rest of us that nothing is just anymore and we the average British white working man or woman are not even allowed to be proud to be so. We are not allowed to speak our mind while all around others are shouting what they think. The friction on the street is so bad at the moment because we are gagged and caged in our own country, keep that up, and there will be trouble!

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