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    Labour failed on welfare reform

    And who do you think said that?

    Most of you would be wrong, it was Ed Milliband, and he said it today!

    BBC News - Labour failed on welfare reform - Ed Miliband

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    Re: Labour failed on welfare reform

    Its the old confessional ploy. Admit everything and start with a clean slate in the hope that nobody will remember

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    Re: Labour failed on welfare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwalker View Post
    Its the old confessional ploy. Admit everything and start with a clean slate in the hope that nobody will remember
    You may well be right!

    Interesting that our usual crop of socialists are not rushing to support Ed's view! Maybe they are too embarrassed by the accuracy of his statement?

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    Re: Labour failed on welfare reform

    I suppose he might have said something whilst he was in government, but perhaps he was frightened of the bully boy prime minister.
    He has had to wait until he has been gone for 6 months before he dare speak up.
    Save us all 22,000,000 a day. Leave the EU.

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    Re: Labour failed on welfare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I suppose he might have said something whilst he was in government, but perhaps he was frightened of the bully boy prime minister.
    He has had to wait until he has been gone for 6 months before he dare speak up.
    What a wonderful thought!

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    Re: Labour failed on welfare reform

    Ed Miliband will not last long. Like Ed Balls he seems to think New Labour was practically wrong on every major issue and yet served in the cabinet.
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    Re: Labour failed on welfare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by soloman View Post
    You may well be right!

    Interesting that our usual crop of socialists are not rushing to support Ed's view! Maybe they are too embarrassed by the accuracy of his statement?
    Although not actually a socialist,but a left wing liberal,I will stand up and say yes,Labour did fail on electoral reform.As did the preceding Tory governments of Thatcher and Major.The big failing is the failure to reform the benefits system in such a way that it made work genuinely pay.The way it works currently,and has done for as long as I can remember,is that the system lets you keep the first 5 you earn each week:thereafter,every pound you earn is taken back off you from your benefits.So those who cannot earn enough to lift them out of benefits,and then some,are being effectively expected to work all week for a fiver.And it usually costs more than that in additional costs to be in work.Thus the lowest paid are being expected to work literally for nothing,and it is therefore scarcely surprising that after several decades of this,many of them have concluded that work is a mug`s game.Because the system has truly made it so for them.

    I have long been an advocate of consolidating all benefits into one,then tapering their withdrawal so that for every pound earned someone only loses 50p off their benefits.Under my system,no one would lose all their benefits until they were taking home at least twice their benefit entitlement.To his credit,and much to my surprise,Ian Duncan Smith appears to have come up with an idea very similar to this,though his proposed rate of benefit withdrawal is significantly more punitive than mine due to treasury pressure(65p in the pound).I think it`s a disgrace that it has taken a Tory to recognise this problem(finally!!!)and attempt to do something about it,and that Labour failed to tackle it,even if they recognised it,in all their 13 years in office.And the low paid are supposed to be Labour`s constituency,the people whose problems Labour is supposed to be able to identify with.

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    Re: Labour failed on welfare reform

    Just as I suspected. Ed Milliband is nothing more than a political oportunist. Is he trying to steel Camerons old clothes? As leader of the oposition Cameron often liked to partially agree with Tony Blair, yet now oposes practically everything he did and stood for.
    Millibands traitorous comments come as no suprise. He supported the new deal, which if implimented properly has all the provisions required to tackle long term unemployement and "worklessness". As I've stated before in other threads, the two main reasons it didn't do what it was meant to do was because of a lack of enforcement at job center level, and gross over subscription for too few jobs and placements.
    Idiots like IDS think that by right wing chest beating and the introduction of what constitutes slave labour, tens of thousands of job opportunities are simply going to pop out of thin air.
    If anyone is fooled by this right wing chest beating nonsense, more fool them. It will go the way of every other half arsed attempt to tackle long term unemployment since the days of the infamous "YOP" scheme........in the policy bin.
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