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    Recruit retired army officers for schools - Heseltine

    Recruiting retired army officers to provide school discipline are among the shock tactics for failing schools advocated by Lord Heseltine.

    "Boys who have had no male in their lives to give them any sense of discipline or adventure" would benefit, he told the BBC's HARDtalk programme.

    Heads of the worst schools should be told to improve or be sacked, he added.
    Lord Heseltine served under John Major and Margaret Thatcher, but failed in his challenge for the Tory leadership.

    He was deputy prime minister under the Major government and held cabinet posts including industry, environment and defence.

    Asked how he would tackle the job if he were to be education secretary, he said: "Whilst I think [Education Secretary] Michael Gove is doing some very interesting things to improve the quality of education, I would have started the other end of the spectrum.

    "I think the head teachers in the 100 worst sink schools in this country would have got a letter from me, or from the local council via me, which said - You've got six months and if there's no change in the way that this school is being appallingly mismanaged, your job is on the line."

    There are many good young teachers, including many women "potentially doing a wonderful job, but you've got people in that school who are frankly young thugs", he said.

    "Why don't you recruit retired army officers to act as the discipline within a school?"

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    I've always liked Michael Heseltine, and this is one of the best suggestions there's been for a long time. Experience should have shown us that you don't get anywhere by pussyfooting around with the dregs of society, whatever age they are. This kind of action is long overdue.
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    Re: Recruit retired army officers for schools - Heseltine

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    Recruiting retired army officers to provide school discipline are among the shock tactics for failing schools advocated by Lord Heseltine.

    "Boys who have had no male in their lives to give them any sense of discipline or adventure" would benefit, he told the BBC's HARDtalk programme.

    Heads of the worst schools should be told to improve or be sacked, he added.
    Lord Heseltine served under John Major and Margaret Thatcher, but failed in his challenge for the Tory leadership.

    He was deputy prime minister under the Major government and held cabinet posts including industry, environment and defence.

    Asked how he would tackle the job if he were to be education secretary, he said: "Whilst I think [Education Secretary] Michael Gove is doing some very interesting things to improve the quality of education, I would have started the other end of the spectrum.

    "I think the head teachers in the 100 worst sink schools in this country would have got a letter from me, or from the local council via me, which said - You've got six months and if there's no change in the way that this school is being appallingly mismanaged, your job is on the line."

    There are many good young teachers, including many women "potentially doing a wonderful job, but you've got people in that school who are frankly young thugs", he said.

    "Why don't you recruit retired army officers to act as the discipline within a school?"

    The full story available from here : BBC News - Recruit retired army officers for schools - Heseltine

    I've always liked Michael Heseltine, and this is one of the best suggestions there's been for a long time. Experience should have shown us that you don't get anywhere by pussyfooting around with the dregs of society, whatever age they are. This kind of action is long overdue.
    Another thread touched on this in recent weeks. In principle I think 'Tarzan' is right, although I suggest that some effete officer from the Tanks or Guards might be swallowed alive by some of the young thugs in some of our inner city areas. I suspect that retired senior non-coms would prove more resilient in the role. I can still recall that as a young subaltern it was the Company Sergeant Major who I went in terror of and not the rather droll Major who was the adjutant.

    I can well remember his curt 'Sir, a moment of your time if you please' and I would then receive a total bollocking which cut as accurately as any surgeons scalpel, and was delivered in a soft voice liberally sprinkled with 'Sirs', although his manner of saying Sir to any young subaltern ensured that you knew that it was almost certainly spelt 'Cur'.

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    Re: Recruit retired army officers for schools - Heseltine

    You know, I absolutely love this idea.

    Someone I know wrote the following in respect to this debate:

    "They should have proper CCF branches. I always found it quite sad that it's only really the good schools that have a military tradition - seems almost counter-intuitive. Sport, handling weapons, basic skills, discipline etc - all could come under that banner. That's one thing that would make a major difference to the lives of, potentially, millions of young people."
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    Re: Recruit retired army officers for schools - Heseltine

    Having actually been taught by an ex-soldier, it was not a good experience. And not because he was harsh, but because he was a moron, who actually singled out and picked on students.

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    Re: Recruit retired army officers for schools - Heseltine

    Both Major Sinic and DC have made very valid points; if a scheme like this was to go ahead, there would need to be a very careful selection of those who were put in charge of order and discipline. Still, all in all an idea which is certainly very worthwhile considering; something drastic needs to be done, the sooner the better, although I'm sure we'd get the wets and the liberals crying out soon enough.

    I have to say that my own, limited, experience of employing ex-service personnel hasn't been good. We found that the ones that we employed tended to lack initiative, perhaps because they'd always been so used to taking orders and being told what to do, but then again these were ex-squaddies, not ex-officers.
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