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    Criminal landlords deprive homeless.

    The scandal has little to do with private landlords who rent out properties they own, but with council house tenants who illegally sublet their council owned homes.

    Yes an estimated 50,000 council homes are being sublet by council house tenants to private sub-tenants, often at massive profits.

    Never was there a more convincing argument that taxpayer owned houses rented out to supposedly homeless families should not be for life, but for a period of need only, and subject to annual means testing.

    Not only are these generally working class criminal landlords defrauding the taxpayer, but they are depriving genuinely needy and homeless families of shelter.

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    Re: Criminal landlords deprive homeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Major Sonic View Post
    The scandal has little to do with private landlords who rent out properties they own, but with council house tenants who illegally sublet their council owned homes.

    Yes an estimated 50,000 council homes are being sublet by council house tenants to private sub-tenants, often at massive profits.

    Never was there a more convincing argument that taxpayer owned houses rented out to supposedly homeless families should not be for life, but for a period of need only, and subject to annual means testing.

    Not only are these generally working class criminal landlords defrauding the taxpayer, but they are depriving genuinely needy and homeless families of shelter.
    When you live in poor neighborhood you have poor educations, when you have poor education, your thinking or suggestion will be poor, a person defrauding the tax payer are actually the people on housing benefit and still go on renting the almighty saviours rent to buy house from council!
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    Re: Criminal landlords deprive homeless.

    Here is news I found pertinant to this thread.

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...n_The_Observer

    Some quotes;

    'Private landlords are refusing to cut their rents down to the level of caps imposed by ministers, the paper reports.
    The landlords are continuing to enjoy a healthy rental market buoyed by young professionals who cannot afford to buy.
    ate landlords are refusing to cut their rents down to the level of caps imposed by ministers, the paper reports.
    The landlords are continuing to enjoy a healthy rental market buoyed by young professionals who cannot afford to buy.'


    Jon Cruddas, the Labour MP for Dagenham, has accused the Government of deliberate social engineering.
    "It is an exercise in social and economic cleansing," he said, claiming families would be thrown into turmoil with children having to move schools.



    Landlords are refusing to lower their rental prices in the capital


    "It is tantamount to cleansing the poor out of rich areas - a brutal and shocking piece of social engineering," Mr Cruddas added.


    National Housing Federation chief executive David Orr described the housing benefit cuts as "truly shocking".
    "Unless ministers urgently reconsider these punitive cuts, we could see more people sleeping rough than at any stage during the last 30 years," he said.
    "London is one of the most vibrant and socially mixed cities in the world - and yet the diversity, for which it is so famous, is under threat from the changes to housing benefit


    Labour leader Ed Miliband has said the spending review took Britain "back to the 1980s".
    Responding to reports of a possible exodus, a Government spokesman said: "There is no evidence of these claims.
    "Some private landlords target those on Housing Benefit because they can command higher rents from tenants causing a knock-on effect on rents in the area.
    "The current way that it is administered is unfair. It's not right that some families on benefits have been able to live in homes that most working families could not afford.
    "However, we are absolutely committed to supporting the most vulnerable families and have tripled our Discretionary Housing Payments to provide a safety net for those who need it."

    And you know what.. not only do I think they are all better placed to speak on this, than anyone on here, I fully agree with their sentiments.

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    Re: Criminal landlords deprive homeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Major Sinic View Post
    The scandal has little to do with private landlords who rent out properties they own, but with council house tenants who illegally sublet their council owned homes.

    Yes an estimated 50,000 council homes are being sublet by council house tenants to private sub-tenants, often at massive profits.

    Never was there a more convincing argument that taxpayer owned houses rented out to supposedly homeless families should not be for life, but for a period of need only, and subject to annual means testing.

    Not only are these generally working class criminal landlords defrauding the taxpayer, but they are depriving genuinely needy and homeless families of shelter.
    There are as many private landlords behaving as criminals as well. I just got done watching the Panarama program about slum landords. They featured private landlords that own hundreds of properties, let to the poor.
    The conditions of the properties would not be fit to house dogs in, let alone people. Thousands of reports of faults, damp, leaks, no heating, mould, infestations etc go ignored. In the meantime, they bill the guarantors up to thousands of for writing letters and making phone calls disputing the claims of the tennants.
    The vast majorty of the rent they recieve comes from housing benefit.
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    Re: Criminal landlords deprive homeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveUK View Post
    There are as many private landlords behaving as criminals as well. I just got done watching the Panarama program about slum landords. They featured private landlords that own hundreds of properties, let to the poor.
    The conditions of the properties would not be fit to house dogs in, let alone people. Thousands of reports of faults, damp, leaks, no heating, mould, infestations etc go ignored. In the meantime, they bill the guarantors up to thousands of for writing letters and making phone calls disputing the claims of the tennants.
    The vast majorty of the rent they recieve comes from housing benefit.
    By law, of course, all those who let out a property, and this includes councils and housing assoc, must meet certain requirements.

    As far as council homes and housing assoc go, they tend to be far more on the ball, when it comes to meeting these requirements.

    For example, everyone is obliged to have an annual gas safety check. Standard stuff. The council would go as far as to get a warrant, if you did not let them carry out the check. However, things are more lax in the private market, making many of these properties unfit for purpose, illegal, and a danger to residents and neighbours alike.

    I believe it is the duty of every local authority to weed out rogue landlords, once and for all.

    If this means a large undercover operation, with officers posing as tenents, then go for it, expose them all, name and shame, then either issue fines so large they would never dare abuse the system like that again, let alone people, or, if a repeat offender/serious offence, then a possible jail term.

    All towns and cities should be purged of these types of landlord.

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    Re: Criminal landlords deprive homeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
    Some quotes;

    'Private landlords are refusing to cut their rents down to the level of caps imposed by ministers, the paper reports.
    The landlords are continuing to enjoy a healthy rental market buoyed by young professionals who cannot afford to buy.'

    [ ... ]

    And you know what.. not only do I think they are all better placed to speak on this, than anyone on here, I fully agree with their sentiments.
    As someone who owns a number of properties which I rent out - 13 2 bed apartments in Birmingham and Manchester and a 3 bed cottage on the Welsh borders - tell me one thing based on that quote, which it seems you agree with. If I can continue to get the same level of rental income from young professionals who cannot afford to buy, why should I lower my rents, and thus my income, to below the market average for the type of property in the areas they're situated just so that people who claim housing benefit can live there?
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    Re: Criminal landlords deprive homeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveUK View Post
    There are as many private landlords behaving as criminals as well. I just got done watching the Panarama program about slum landords. They featured private landlords that own hundreds of properties, let to the poor.
    The conditions of the properties would not be fit to house dogs in, let alone people. Thousands of reports of faults, damp, leaks, no heating, mould, infestations etc go ignored. In the meantime, they bill the guarantors up to thousands of for writing letters and making phone calls disputing the claims of the tennants.
    The vast majorty of the rent they recieve comes from housing benefit.
    You miss the main point of my post which is that no taxpayer subsidised housing should provide a home for life. It should provide shelter only whilst needed and this need should be means tested annually. This would prevent this criminal profiteering from a taxpayer owned asset, and contribute towards providing accommodation for those who really need it.

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    Re: Criminal landlords deprive homeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    As someone who owns a number of properties which I rent out - 13 2 bed apartments in Birmingham and Manchester and a 3 bed cottage on the Welsh borders - tell me one thing based on that quote, which it seems you agree with. If I can continue to get the same level of rental income from young professionals who cannot afford to buy, why should I lower my rents, and thus my income, to below the market average for the type of property in the areas they're situated just so that people who claim housing benefit can live there?

    The fact is that there are literally thousands of landlords across the UK, who are quite frankly hucksters and breakers of the law. Many of them have been exposed, however, there are simply not sufficient numbers of inspectors, to ensure that all landlords are working to a high standard, or any standard.

    I have seen some private lets and bed sits that are quite frankly a total disgrace.

    They are barely fit for purpose.

    And yet, these landllords are making a fortune from providing terrible, and often dangerous dwelling places for people to live in. I find that immoral and wrong.

    More should be done to put these parasites out of business, once and for all.

    Stricter caps should be placed on what a landlord can charge for a given property should be considered, because people cannot afford to get on the property ladder now, and too often their only option is to rent on the private market. What they are expected to pay is often way over the odds for what they are getting.

    Of course, the private market and rogue landlords would be less of an issue if Thatcher had not started selling of council house stock, in the 80's, imo.

    The best one's were sold at stupidly low prices, and often bought by the children of the tenent, who would then sell it at a massive profit, three years later. That's not business, that is taking advantage of the entire ethos of the social housing programme.

    Naturally, the sold stock was never properly replaced, which is one of the reasons why we have a bit of a housing problem on the go, at the moment.

    It is my view that the Tories are setting out, on purpose, to ensure that more people are actually pushed into the private rental market.

    I do not see any plan from them to make it a lot easier to get on the property ladder.

    Nor do I see the Tories speak of a massive social housing programme.

    Therefore, I see them using policy to effectively force many onto the private rental market.

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    Re: Criminal landlords deprive homeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
    The fact is that there are literally thousands of landlords across the UK, who are quite frankly hucksters and breakers of the law. Many of them have been exposed, however, there are simply not sufficient numbers of inspectors, to ensure that all landlords are working to a high standard, or any standard.

    I have seen some private lets and bed sits that are quite frankly a total disgrace.

    They are barely fit for purpose.

    And yet, these landllords are making a fortune from providing terrible, and often dangerous dwelling places for people to live in. I find that immoral and wrong.

    More should be done to put these parasites out of business, once and for all.

    Stricter caps should be placed on what a landlord can charge for a given property should be considered, because people cannot afford to get on the property ladder now, and too often their only option is to rent on the private market. What they are expected to pay is often way over the odds for what they are getting.

    Of course, the private market and rogue landlords would be less of an issue if Thatcher had not started selling of council house stock, in the 80's, imo.

    The best one's were sold at stupidly low prices, and often bought by the children of the tenent, who would then sell it at a massive profit, three years later. That's not business, that is taking advantage of the entire ethos of the social housing programme.

    Naturally, the sold stock was never properly replaced, which is one of the reasons why we have a bit of a housing problem on the go, at the moment.

    It is my view that the Tories are setting out, on purpose, to ensure that more people are actually pushed into the private rental market.

    I do not see any plan from them to make it a lot easier to get on the property ladder.

    Nor do I see the Tories speak of a massive social housing programme.

    Therefore, I see them using policy to effectively force many onto the private rental market.
    Undoubtedly some of that is true; there are some truly awful properties let at disproportionate rests, at least disproportionate in terms of value for money, however it doesn't answer the point I made, which was asking why I, or any landlord, should reduce rents simply to allow recipients of housing benefit to continue living in their property if they can easily obtain the original, higher, rent from another tenant.
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    Re: Criminal landlords deprive homeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    Undoubtedly some of that is true; there are some truly awful properties let at disproportionate rests, at least disproportionate in terms of value for money, however it doesn't answer the point I made, which was asking why I, or any landlord, should reduce rents simply to allow recipients of housing benefit to continue living in their property if they can easily obtain the original, higher, rent from another tenant.
    Because, unless there are some caps, then you finish up with something that is tantamount to social engineering, that is to say, the centre of a city, only the well off can afford to live there, while the poor are forced to the edges.

    Comparisons have been made with Paris.

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