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    Mike NATTRASS MEP on Nigel FARAGE - Nothing New, Knew Nothing!

    Mike NATTRASS MEP on Nigel FARAGE - Nothing New, Knew Nothing!

    Hi,

    Mike Nattrass' letter is published in full but for details of the FACTS behind his self serving lame, late attack can be found if you CLICK HERE
    Dear All,

    It may be too late but after all these years I can no longer stay silent.

    In the previous Leadership Election I, together with all candidates EXCEPT LORD PEARSON were rubbished by Nigel Farage on TV and elsewhere. This ensured the election of Nigel's puppet Lord Pearson and allowed Nigel to continue to be the face of the party. That is Nigel's view of the election rules and I think it is only fair and high time that his methods were exposed, USING HIS OWN RULES.

    Nigel already Leads the parliamentary Group and when he is also elected Leader this will amount to total control. Increasingly I am hearing the word "Spiv" used to describe him, from people who are not members but see his image. I am concerned that the UKIP party brand will be tarnished, even holed below the water line, by his monopoly of power.

    Whilst Nigel is a very good speaker, he is also a control freak. He grabs all UKIP publicity to the detriment of any other UKIP spokesperson or MEP. He employs assistants with the MEP's budgets without allowing those MEPs any say. This, despite the fact that UKIP MEPs demanded a chance to interview those who were being employed with their money. Nigel agreed, then totally ignored that promise. Consequently he has his own "group funded" team around him and all "hiring" takes place via his close friend Godfrey Bloom MEP (this person is said to be banned by 4 hotels for urinating in the corridors)

    Nigel's lack of experience in good staff management and his refusal to allow MEP consultation is complimented by the morals of an Alley Cat (and I will not go there). I have always said that this does not matter, because so long as we are all in the trench together with guns pointing at the enemy all are welcome. But he shot Nikki Sinclaire in the back when she became an MEP, for no Party reason, while she was giving all the effort she could give. She was expelled as a UKIP MEP for pointing out the Group facts. He does not like truth or competition.

    I have put a lot of money, time and energy into promoting UKIP in the West Midlands and I watched it wrecked at the General Election by Nigel's chosen people (Lords Pearson and Monckton) who appeared from nowhere and failed to understand our basic strategy or even comprehend from where our votes are derived. Worse, Nikki, who has vast energy at election time, was stopped from being a UKIP MEP by Nigel and has not been given a chance to defend herself or to state her case (legal matters are pending). She and I were told by Lord Pearson not to get involved in the election and not to fund the campaign. In fact you will see that we both made considerable financial contributions but our campaign was deeply damaged. Also the subsequent enquiry into the campaign, requested by the WM candidates, was "dealt with" by Monckton (who thought I was behind it) and because of this we have had resignations from very keen activists.

    All this West Midlands destruction because Nigel hates Nikki and wants to rubbish me!! Do you know how much money Nigel has contributed to this party...next to nothing.

    I found allegations of fraud were brought against me when I stood for Leadership. These were in the Sunday Times. They melted away afterwards and had no foundation in truth, but they did the job intended.(My legal case against the Times is pending) Nigel has had a number of very real cases against him.. funny how that word does not get out.

    My first major annoyance with Nigel's manipulations stem from the time when I was first elected in 2004 and all UKIP MEPs had a meeting to agree three very basic points. One was that we could not employ wives (other Parties did) and this was agreed. In fact my wife comes to each Parliament and does not get paid (not even travel expenses) and I said that she wanted to contribute any proper payment to the Party, but no, rules were rules and she could be paid nothing. It was then later exposed that Nigel's wife was being secretly paid out of his budget, breaking this rule. He did not seek any permission (to change his own rule) from the MEPs. He was simply "caught out" with both hands in the till. I fear that the whole Parliamentary Group in the EU is run for Nigel's financial and public image. I left that ugly group.

    Nigel has derailed every leader since the very first, except peacemaker Jeffery Titford (under whom I was Party Chairman). He is therefore hated by them all (except JT). plus never to be leader Kilroy Silk who must feel that Nigel gave him a wrong prospectus.

    I expect that Nigel will be elected leader as no one else is effectively allowed to stand without a spin campaign against them. I can see less MEPs in the UKIP squad when he does win.

    There is a false attack on Tim Congdon from Boggers 4 UKIP, this must mean he is a real threat! Good.

    Mike

    MIKE NATTRASS MEP
    Clearly Mike Nattrass has colluded in almost all the corruption he now so glibly lists!

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

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    Re: Mike NATTRASS MEP on Nigel FARAGE - Nothing New, Knew Nothing!

    Simple fact: UKIP = Nigel Farage.
    Its a hard truth but that is the case. Nigel Farage is the popular figure, he popular the party, he is the one people are attracted to when voting UKIP.
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    Re: Mike NATTRASS MEP on Nigel FARAGE - Nothing New, Knew Nothing!

    Quote Originally Posted by LA View Post
    Simple fact: UKIP = Nigel Farage.
    Its a hard truth but that is the case. Nigel Farage is the popular figure, he popular the party, he is the one people are attracted to when voting UKIP.
    Hi,

    how right you are except for ONE point - he isn't popular!

    Just note that after 17 years the party is still a risible failure with no one of any stature, no credible spokesmen, no track record of achievements, no solutions, no structure ...........

    If you doubt me then please explain why out of some 19,000 elected seats and offices in these United Kingdoms in 17 years UKIP has never managed to top 30 by election!

    About 1 in every 650 seats available are held by UKIP!

    In the last General Election with an increase of 50% due to funding James Pryor and a London office for PR rather than their normal sycophants and clowns like Mark Croucher, Gawain Towler or some Party Paid for doxy of Farage's - even so the result was risible with 3.1% of the vote and not a single solitary candidate withing even strike of a seat!

    If that is popular how come The BNP have better results in domestic elections vile as it is.

    UKIP = Farage = Failure

    The key being Farage then if you want success may I suggest ANYONE would make a better leader - this would not preclude Farage doing what he is quite good at - namely as the Party entertainer on the meeeeja.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

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    Re: Mike NATTRASS MEP on Nigel FARAGE - Nothing New, Knew Nothing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    Hi,

    how right you are except for ONE point - he isn't popular!

    Just note that after 17 years the party is still a risible failure with no one of any stature, no credible spokesmen, no track record of achievements, no solutions, no structure ...........

    If you doubt me then please explain why out of some 19,000 elected seats and offices in these United Kingdoms in 17 years UKIP has never managed to top 30 by election!

    About 1 in every 650 seats available are held by UKIP!

    In the last General Election with an increase of 50% due to funding James Pryor and a London office for PR rather than their normal sycophants and clowns like Mark Croucher, Gawain Towler or some Party Paid for doxy of Farage's - even so the result was risible with 3.1% of the vote and not a single solitary candidate withing even strike of a seat!

    If that is popular how come The BNP have better results in domestic elections vile as it is.

    UKIP = Farage = Failure

    The key being Farage then if you want success may I suggest ANYONE would make a better leader - this would not preclude Farage doing what he is quite good at - namely as the Party entertainer on the meeeeja.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
    Sorry Greg but that just isn't the case. UKIP is the fourth largest party in the United Kingdom, it put the then incumbent governmental party into third place in an election. It has been doing increasingly well in general elections and local elections; and if it weren't for FPTP it would have several seats in Parliament, with its current Lords.

    I don't know if you are up to date Greg, but the BNP was stripped of a lot of their council seats, and achieved 1.9% of the vote whilst UKIP achieved 3.1% of the vote in the general election.

    As far as small party success goes, UKIP is doing bloody well and I am sorry that your pure hatred of this party blinds you to that fact.
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    Re: Mike NATTRASS MEP on Nigel FARAGE - Nothing New, Knew Nothing!

    Quote Originally Posted by LA View Post
    Sorry Greg but that just isn't the case.
    Hi,

    I hear your opinion but I find it deeply flawed and with little connection to reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by LA View Post
    UKIP is the fourth largest party in the United Kingdom, it put the then incumbent governmental party into third place in an election.
    Indeed there are in real terms only two parties in Britain and a large number of irrelevant also rans - The Lib Dims were moving forward but I incline, at the moment, to the belief that coalition may destroy them in the long run.

    In a foreign and utterly irrelevant election to a Parliament in which Britain has 8% say in such democracy that exists UKIP, as a result of a backlash against a failed Government and the newspaper creation of a story from the work of Heather Brooke portraying secondary allowances as corruption when in fact out of 650 MPs entitled to secondary allowances about 1% were fiddling the amount they were entitled to!

    UKIP had a realistic expectation of 3 or 4 MEPs but as the dustbin of protest they achieved 13.

    It is far more valid to consider the FACTS than to use the structure of the style of democracy as the excuse for failure as you have done with FPTP.

    Quote Originally Posted by LA View Post
    It has been doing increasingly well in general elections and local elections;
    I readily concede this point as in 17 years they have reached the dizzy heights of 3.1% and less than 30 elected representatives out of some 19,000 positions - Woopy Dooo!

    Quote Originally Posted by LA View Post
    and if it weren't for FPTP it would have several seats in Parliament, with its current Lords.
    Willoughby de Broke is all but invisible and would seem to have distanced himself from UKIPb though as a Cross Bencher still titularly UKIP, Malcolm Pearson was catastrophic as leader underhand, deceitfull, a liar and merely a placeman on the insistance of Stuart Wheeler. UKIP's 2 Politically relevant Peers.

    Quote Originally Posted by LA View Post
    I don't know if you are up to date Greg, but the BNP was stripped of a lot of their council seats,
    I had thought that the seats The BNP lost were, inspite of the profile given to the BNP by particularly Farage & Croucher, were The BNP stripped of seats (A legal Inference) were they not seats LOST by election in the main?

    Quote Originally Posted by LA View Post
    and achieved 1.9% of the vote whilst UKIP achieved 3.1% of the vote in the general election.
    Correct - but due to sound leadership, vile as it may be, The BNP achieved far more seats in Britain than have UKIP by targeting. I am appauled that after 17 years UKIP can not have achieved notably more than The BNP in elections in Britain - aren't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by LA View Post
    As far as small party success goes, UKIP is doing bloody well
    I guess we all have our standards. I consider abject failure, zero vision, no message and endless squabbling not to be something in my wildest dreams I could describe as 'Doing Bloody Well'. I also find the endless fraud, lies, abuse and bullying which is endemic in UKIP to be a tragic betrayal of Britain and the electorate.

    Quote Originally Posted by LA View Post
    and I am sorry that your pure hatred of this party blinds you to that fact.
    I regret you are so clearly ill informed. Do be minded that I have supported the core principles of UKIP for over a dozen years and I have done so in my own name with complete consistency and integrity.

    I have NEVER manifet a shred of hatred for UKIP, as you would seem to wish to portray it, unless of course you consider Nigel Farage and his parasites and placemen to be UKIP, when in fact I consider UKIP to be the humble dedicated grass roots and the principles on which the party was founded NOT Farage's self interest.

    I do indeed have an abiding hatred of treachery, Treason, self interest and abuse of public office.

    I also have an abiding hatred of corruption and dishonesty as practiced by Tom Wise, Clive Page, Malcolm Pearson, Stuart Agnew, David Bannerman, Marta Andreasen, Malcolm Wood, Derek Clark etc.

    You will also note that the posting that started this thread was in fact one of UKIP's long serving MEPs and a past Chairman of the Party Mike Nattrass and not I.

    Re-read the thread and you will note I made no comment on this Forum merely posting The Nattrass Letter - I did however respond stating my opinion backed by fact when you published your opinion, which I considered to be fallacious.

    Perhaps you would care to address Mike Nattrass' letter rather than seek to vilify the messenger inaccurately whilst sheltering behind anonymity.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

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