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    Tsunami.

    A political 'Tsunami' is heading the way of these shores.

    It does not point to Mecca nor does it 'fast'.

    That is all just a distraction, fuelled by comics like the Sun, and it's slightly less ugly sister, the Daily Mail.

    Nope, the real enemy is sitting in No10 Downing Street, and it is from there that this storm that I speak of will grow.

    Last week, Osbourne and Cameron announce major job AND welfare cuts.

    Think about that for a second. If you are half way intelligent, you will see a problem, without too much further prompting....you CANNOT slash the benefits system as they wish to do, without several PROPER job creation programme's in place.

    And yet, for all the noise that comes from the ConDemned, I hear of nothing that comes close to such a thing.

    Remember, these cuts are going to affect all but Cameron, his chums, and the super rich. Everyone else will suffer, some more than others. A combination of benefit cuts without good job creation will ONLY lead to a black market economy, more crime, and social unrest.

    On my blog I think I forecast this within three years.

    I would like to amend this to two.

    And the true enemy of the armed forces?

    It's not a tiny minority of Muslims giving stick to soldiers.

    It's the Tories.

    One senior military man said that after the Tory cuts, Britain will no longer be 'able to engage in an operation like the Falklands, even if they needed to'.

    *Shakes head*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
    A political 'Tsunami' is heading the way of these shores.

    It does not point to Mecca nor does it 'fast'.

    That is all just a distraction, fuelled by comics like the Sun, and it's slightly less ugly sister, the Daily Mail.

    Nope, the real enemy is sitting in No10 Downing Street, and it is from there that this storm that I speak of will grow.

    Last week, Osbourne and Cameron announce major job AND welfare cuts.

    Think about that for a second. If you are half way intelligent, you will see a problem, without too much further prompting....you CANNOT slash the benefits system as they wish to do, without several PROPER job creation programme's in place.

    And yet, for all the noise that comes from the ConDemned, I hear of nothing that comes close to such a thing.

    Remember, these cuts are going to affect all but Cameron, his chums, and the super rich. Everyone else will suffer, some more than others. A combination of benefit cuts without good job creation will ONLY lead to a black market economy, more crime, and social unrest.

    On my blog I think I forecast this within three years.

    I would like to amend this to two.

    And the true enemy of the armed forces?

    It's not a tiny minority of Muslims giving stick to soldiers.

    It's the Tories.

    One senior military man said that after the Tory cuts, Britain will no longer be 'able to engage in an operation like the Falklands, even if they needed to'.

    *Shakes head*
    Whilst you do come over as very left wing in your views, you don't strike me as especially stupid. One inevitably draws the conclusion that this type of inflammatory prose is therefore designed to inflame those who are stupid. On the other side of the political spectrum, it is a tactic which has won the BNP a great deal of their very limited support.

    It would not be difficult to dismantle your post and expose the ideological and actual contradictions and flaws in it.

    However before doing so I would like you to provide a rational and, in principle at least, financially justified solution to the economic crisis created by thirteen years of reckless and incompetent Labour government. I have noticed how easy those on the far right and left find it to condemn the Liberal Conservative Coalition and the very difficult economic decisions they are faced with, but I have yet to see a rational alternative, other than moronic and ill conceived entreaties to make the bankers pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Sinic View Post
    Whilst you do come over as very left wing in your views, you don't strike me as especially stupid. One inevitably draws the conclusion that this type of inflammatory prose is therefore designed to inflame those who are stupid. On the other side of the political spectrum, it is a tactic which has won the BNP a great deal of their very limited support.

    Hello Major. Do I come across as 'very left wing'? See, the funny thing is, I don't subscribe to ANY political idealogy. I am interested in politics, yet I have only voted once in my entire life, and that was only because I had turned 18! I have no time for any of the mainstream parties, in almost equal measure. The post wasn't 'designed' to gain a reaction from the 'stupid', as you call them. Simply my thoughts, feelings, and projections on where I think the nation could be headed, within two years or so. I am definitely not a capitalist, nor a socialist, nor a communist, since many of my political views, thoughts and ideas would be entirely out of step with each one of those idealogies. I trust that this clears that matter up.

    It would not be difficult to dismantle your post and expose the ideological and actual contradictions and flaws in it.

    Okay, well for the purposes of the debate/thread, please do. Do you deny that the Tories are slashing jobs? Do you deny that the Tories are slashing benefits? Do you concede that doing both of those things, together, while having no mass job creation programme is a recipe for an increase in crime, social depravation, and a greater black market economy?

    However before doing so I would like you to provide a rational and, in principle at least, financially justified solution to the economic crisis created by thirteen years of reckless and incompetent Labour government. I have noticed how easy those on the far right and left find it to condemn the Liberal Conservative Coalition and the very difficult economic decisions they are faced with, but I have yet to see a rational alternative, other than moronic and ill conceived entreaties to make the bankers pay.
    Please let it be noted, lest you think otherwise, that I was never a fan of Nu-Labour. They have much to answer for. Aside from anything else, it cost this nation an amount that we cannot conceive of, simply to brown nose the US Neo Con invasions into Afghani and Iraqi. Still costing us, as it happens. Was against both invasions long before the troops touched down. All this time on, I feel vindicated in my oppostion, both economically and ethically. Would the Tories NOT have followed the US into these invasions, had they been in power, during that time? Of course they would. However, the Tories were not in power then, Nu Labour were, and it was those reckless and murderous decisions which are a large part of the reason why the UK economy is as it is. If it were up to me, I would bring all the troops that remain back home - today. This would save any more money being wasted, and it would save any more lives being lost.

    I would scrap Trident. Unjustly expensive, and, in modern warfare, not even of much use. I would imagine scrapping Trident would save a few pounds .

    Any idea how much tax evasion costs this nation, each year?

    I know. Do others know? I invite them to do their own research though, because in doing that, those that do will be staggered to discover that it costs this nation WAY more than any benefit fraud. Yet, for some reason (I wonder why..), we never seem to hear about a relentless campaign against the greedy individuals engaged in this.

    Those are just some brief thoughts.

    Probably it warrants a thread of it's own, if in fact there isn't one already.

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    Major welfare cuts were long overdue.It is obscene that the majority of hardworking people in this country on incomes of under 30,000 a year are no better off and in many cases worse off financially than those who sponge off the state.It is the bone idle who refuse to work that has encouraged the immigrant to come to these shores with the knowledge that there are plentifull jobs.
    The jobs are out there,ask Tudor,Januk and Vlad, they will point them in the right direction.

    Who is this "senior military man" you speak of ? The Falklands are secure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwalker View Post
    .It is the bone idle who refuse to work that has encouraged the immigrant to come to these shores with the knowledge that there are plentifull jobs.
    The jobs are out there,ask Tudor,Januk and Vlad, they will point them in the right direction.
    Not sure whether to laugh or cry.

    Think I'll just laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
    Not sure whether to laugh or cry.

    Think I'll just laugh.
    While you are laughing, I am sifting through some job applications.Though in all honesty I will employ a Brit,there are more Applicants from eastern Europeans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwalker View Post
    While you are laughing, I am sifting through some job applications.Though in all honesty I will employ a Brit,there are more Applicants from eastern Europeans
    Well, if you are speaking about that one specific thing, then perhaps the UK should have done what Malta did.

    When they joined the EU, they successfully negotiated with the EU council, a seven year period in which they would have the right to refuse people from other EU nations work, if it was seen that doing so would impact upon the people of Malta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
    Please let it be noted, lest you think otherwise, that I was never a fan of Nu-Labour. They have much to answer for. Aside from anything else, it cost this nation an amount that we cannot conceive of, simply to brown nose the US Neo Con invasions into Afghani and Iraqi. Still costing us, as it happens. Was against both invasions long before the troops touched down. All this time on, I feel vindicated in my oppostion, both economically and ethically. Would the Tories NOT have followed the US into these invasions, had they been in power, during that time? Of course they would. However, the Tories were not in power then, Nu Labour were, and it was those reckless and murderous decisions which are a large part of the reason why the UK economy is as it is. If it were up to me, I would bring all the troops that remain back home - today. This would save any more money being wasted, and it would save any more lives being lost.
    I agree with your sentiments, but since this thread is about the economics that is what I will focus on. Our average annual cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars has averaged somewhere in the region of 3 billion per annum. Assuming that we are able to pull out of both wars tomorrow at no cost, you have reduced our forthcoming budget deficit by around 3 billion.

    I would scrap Trident. Unjustly expensive, and, in modern warfare, not even of much use. I would imagine scrapping Trident would save a few pounds .
    Not much surprisingly. Maintaining Trident costs around 150 million a year ( one of our four trident armed submarines at sea at any one time). The cost of replacing trident is a different matter at an estimated 25 billion, but we aren't even going to make a decision on that for five years so no massive costs on that, so we are up to 3.150 billion.

    Any idea how much tax evasion costs this nation, each year?
    Yep, around 15 billion, and the Coalition is setting out to recover some 7 billion a year of this, based on the economic cost of recovery. You don't suggest how much you might be able to recover.

    I know. Do others know? I invite them to do their own research though, because in doing that, those that do will be staggered to discover that it costs this nation WAY more than any benefit fraud. Yet, for some reason (I wonder why..), we never seem to hear about a relentless campaign against the greedy individuals engaged in this.
    Benefit fraud at a little over 1 billion is not the problem. It is the benefit culture, whereby whole unemployed households are legally claiming welfare that the country can not afford. The total benefit cap at 26,000 per household a year which is to be introduced by the Coalition equates to around 35,000 for a working person to earn gross, and this cap will represent a reduction for an estimated 50,000 families. This welfare is paid by hard working men and women earning on average around 23,000 per annum. I am sorry that the Coalition continues to be so generous with my taxes.

    But again I notice that you are not proposing any savings in this area.

    Those are just some brief thoughts.
    So you quantify actual cuts of 3.150 billion, or rather I do for you, although in fairness you have identified considerable potential in tax evasion, so say a total cut to the budget deficit of 10.150 billion per annum. That isn't going to help a lot!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
    Well, if you are speaking about that one specific thing, then perhaps the UK should have done what Malta did.

    When they joined the EU, they successfully negotiated with the EU council, a seven year period in which they would have the right to refuse people from other EU nations work, if it was seen that doing so would impact upon the people of Malta.
    Kicking an open door there Jack,but with the very high welfare payments in the UK we couldnt fill vacancies in many industries so we had to let them come,and come they did.The social implications of healthcare education and housing were not thought through (or they were but the Labour government misscalculated the numbers) and we are now paying the price all for having too high Welfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwalker View Post
    The social implications of healthcare education and housing were not thought through.
    I agree.

    And I don't think these Tory policies are being fully thought out either, to be honest.

    Or they are, and Cameron knows the impact of them is not going to hurt him and his?

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