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    Theism Is A Mental Illness.

    On this thread I will try to demonstrate why I think that monotheism is a delusion, and, therefore, a mental illness.

    First of all, let us examine precisely what the word 'delusion' means, for it is not a word that I would ever use lightly.

    Let us reach for the dictionary.

    Psychiatry . a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact:

    Delusion | Define Delusion at Dictionary.com

    Now, religion is most surely a fixed belief. The many contradictions and flaws in the bible, and other 'holy' books would suggest it to be false. And those of a religious bent (as I am sure we may see on here), definitely do not like to be confronted with reason or fact.

    Therefore, I think we can comfortably say that, by defintion, it fits the model of a delusion.

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    Re: Theism Is A Mental Illness.

    I think it depends on the level of belief.
    While I was studying theology, I came across people that didn't believe a word of what they were studying, but had embarked on it as a career choice. There are more people in the Church that fit this description than most members of the average "flock" would like to contemplate. There are ministers in Britains churches lying through their teath to their congregations.
    I've found with a lot of what I would call social Christians (the kind that just get involved because of family or community), a lot of them are not too sure what they believe, and when challenged on it, don't believe a whole lot of whats in the Bible.
    Then there's your fundies, and these people do come across as irational, deluded and sometimes mentally ill.
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    Re: Theism Is A Mental Illness.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveUK View Post
    I think it depends on the level of belief.
    While I was studying theology, I came across people that didn't believe a word of what they were studying, but had embarked on it as a career choice. There are more people in the Church that fit this description than most members of the average "flock" would like to contemplate. There are ministers in Britains churches lying through their teath to their congregations.
    I've found with a lot of what I would call social Christians (the kind that just get involved because of family or community), a lot of them are not too sure what they believe, and when challenged on it, don't believe a whole lot of whats in the Bible.
    Then there's your fundies, and these people do come across as irational, deluded and sometimes mentally ill.
    Hi Dave,

    From all that I have observed, religion, specifically the Abrahamic 'faiths', they are the single most odious thing man has ever created.

    They are much more damaging than any drug.

    I could well understand someone in the Third World, with limited/no access to books and such, being so superstitous, but what I find more hard to grasp are people in developed and modern cities, being that way.

    They have no excuse.

    Though my life I have spoken to many so called 'Christians', and I have found those in the United States to be the single most reprehensible of all.

    There is absolutely nothing good, charitable, or benign about them, at all. They are often aggressive. They tend to be very pro war. They are inclined to be absolutely greedy.

    I recall, during one conversation, I pointed out to a particularly noisy Christian (an American one, who was crying foul on a social healthcare plan for the US), that in the Bible Jesus states, not once, but twice, that believers must sell all their worldly possesions, and give the money to the poor.

    Now, given that Jesus mentioned it twice, obviously he was really serious about that specific instruction.

    This is totally at odds with the greed and selfishness that I mention.

    When I remarked upon it to said person, know what happened?

    They promised to come back to my point.....then duly vanished.

    There are many wars, small and large, going on, in the World, today.

    Perhaps the single biggest 'war' is that of ugly superstition v reason and science.

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    Re: Theism Is A Mental Illness.

    There's also growing physical evidence that what we term religious belief is indeed simply in the mind. This has been repeatedly demonstrated when patients undergoing brain surgery have experienced what they describe as religious feelings when certain parts of the brain are stimulated; full details of one major study into this can be found here - Cognitive and neural foundations of religious belief. When this research is coupled with many decades of research into the ontological origins of religion, plus the way in which the human mind has a high capacity for very powerful self-delusion even in the face of factual evidence, I'd personally say there's no doubt at all that theism is nothing other than a mental state, the "god concept" originating in our primitive ancestors as a way to understand the unknowable.

    If you search online for "God Spot" you'll find a considerable number of references to this, and other such work.
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    Re: Theism Is A Mental Illness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    There's also growing physical evidence that what we term religious belief is indeed simply in the mind. This has been repeatedly demonstrated when patients undergoing brain surgery have experienced what they describe as religious feelings when certain parts of the brain are stimulated; full details of one major study into this can be found here - Cognitive and neural foundations of religious belief. When this research is coupled with many decades of research into the ontological origins of religion, plus the way in which the human mind has a high capacity for very powerful self-delusion even in the face of factual evidence, I'd personally say there's no doubt at all that theism is nothing other than a mental state, the "god concept" originating in our primitive ancestors as a way to understand the unknowable.

    If you search online for "God Spot" you'll find a considerable number of references to this, and other such work.
    If we are right, and religion is little more than a form of self delusion (and I think we are), then you do realise that this means that there are more self deluded humans walking the planet than there are non deluded, given that there are likely more people who believe in a god, than those that do not!

    To use a smaller scale, this means it would be like placing you in a room with 50 people who all passionately believed that a giant teapot orbits the earth and demands to be worshipped.

    You would know that the giant teapot is a delusion.

    Would you keep quiet, and simply succumb to the pressure, if you had to live and work in that room, for the rest of your life?

    Or would you risk being ostracised by not succumbing?

    Interesting question, imo...

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    Re: Theism Is A Mental Illness.

    Maybe the majority are right and atheism is incorrect, but it is not a mental illness either way.
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    Re: Theism Is A Mental Illness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    it is not a mental illness either way.
    Why not, Barry?

    Are you suggesting that it doesn't fit the criterea of a delusion, and, thererfore, a mental illness?

    Please expand.

    Thanks

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    Re: Theism Is A Mental Illness.

    Yes similar to Narcissistic Disorder , i am diagnosing at the moment! l.o.l
    And the danger of it is that! they will never accept defeat at any moment in time, that's why they continue to range
    On and on till they get wacked and they do late entry aswell per conflict of interest.

    Is that correct ?
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    Re: Theism Is A Mental Illness.

    Quote Originally Posted by angelcountry View Post
    Yes similar to Narcissistic Disorder , i am diagnosing at the moment! l.o.l
    And the danger of it is that! they will never accept defeat at any moment in time, that's why they continue to range
    On and on till they get wacked and they do late entry aswell per conflict of interest.

    Is that correct ?
    I have some experience of those with NPD.

    Let us look at some of the common symptoms, then we can compare.



    Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:
    • Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
    • Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    • Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
    • Requires excessive admiration
    • Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
    • Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
    • Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
    • Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
    • Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

    Or we could also look at this...


    Delusional disorder - define, causes, DSM, functioning, effects, therapy, paranoia, adults, withdrawal, drug, examples, person, people, used, brain, personality, effect, women

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    Re: Theism Is A Mental Illness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
    Why not, Barry?

    Are you suggesting that it doesn't fit the criterea of a delusion, and, thererfore, a mental illness?

    Please expand.

    Thanks
    I'm no expert on mental health issues, but if a person suffers from delusions, would it not affect other areas of their life?
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