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    Is France ungovernable?

    It seems a reasonable action to increase the pensionable age in France from 60 to 62 years, especially considering that it is higher, and rising in other European countries.
    However, as often occurs in France, the unions think that they run the country, and are being allowed by the French Police to disrupt supplies and services in a show of anarchy.
    France has so often been ungovernable in history, with lots of people losing their heads in the past!
    Is France becoming ungovernable again?

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    Re: Is France ungovernable?

    The frogs do seem a bit more together when on strike and opposing government. Shame they diddnt stick together in 1939 but thats another story.

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    Re: Is France ungovernable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    It seems a reasonable action to increase the pensionable age in France from 60 to 62 years, especially considering that it is higher, and rising in other European countries.
    However, as often occurs in France, the unions think that they run the country, and are being allowed by the French Police to disrupt supplies and services in a show of anarchy.
    France has so often been ungovernable in history, with lots of people losing their heads in the past!
    Is France becoming ungovernable again?

    Vive la revolution!
    I think it's more a case of the French working classes having some backbone, and not giving in to middle class bullying, meaningless tax bribes, and government dictates like they do in this country. The French have always traditionaly took to the streets and faught for their rights. In this country we're too used to rolling over and taking it in the a$$ from our government. Much of the protest is coming from young people fearing or their jobs if older people have to work longer.
    Whenever retiring ages are increased, it's only a certain sector of the work force it effects, those at the bottom. They are the only ones that have no choice but to work until they are ready to be put in the ground.

    Viva La France, good luck to them.
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    Re: Is France ungovernable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveUK View Post
    I think it's more a case of the French working classes having some backbone, and not giving in to middle class bullying, meaningless tax bribes, and government dictates like they do in this country. The French have always traditionaly took to the streets and faught for their rights. In this country we're too used to rolling over and taking it in the a$$ from our government. Much of the protest is coming from young people fearing or their jobs if older people have to work longer.
    Whenever retiring ages are increased, it's only a certain sector of the work force it effects, those at the bottom. They are the only ones that have no choice but to work until they are ready to be put in the ground.

    Viva La France, good luck to them.
    On the other hand it could well be a case of the French working classes not understanding the implications of the debt crisis that has engulfed France in the same way it has so many other countries, and simply being selfish and not only saying "Je ne vois pas pourquoi il devrait me touchent" ("I don't see why it should affect me") but jeopardising the whole economy by their actions.
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    Re: Is France ungovernable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    On the other hand it could well be a case of the French working classes not understanding the implications of the debt crisis that has engulfed France in the same way it has so many other countries, and simply being selfish and not only saying "Je ne vois pas pourquoi il devrait me touchent" ("I don't see why it should affect me") but jeopardising the whole economy by their actions.

    Which is not their fault.
    I get tired to the bone of this "we're all in this together" BS. We weren't all in it together when the finance industry, aided and abbeted by corrup polititians emptied the pot were we? I don't remember being all in it together when the last government gave our banks the biggest social handout in history, and basically rewarded failiure with 700 billion of our money. And now to pay for it they want to make the poorest work longer, cut services that will hit the poorest the hardest.
    Good luck to them. It's a pity there aren't people in this country willing to do the same, instead of farting and whining about what clothes muslims wear.
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    Re: Is France ungovernable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveUK View Post
    Which is not their fault.
    I get tired to the bone of this "we're all in this together" BS. We weren't all in it together when the finance industry, aided and abbeted by corrup polititians emptied the pot were we? I don't remember being all in it together when the last government gave our banks the biggest social handout in history, and basically rewarded failiure with 700 billion of our money. And now to pay for it they want to make the poorest work longer, cut services that will hit the poorest the hardest.
    Good luck to them. It's a pity there aren't people in this country willing to do the same, instead of farting and whining about what clothes muslims wear.
    This really is most misleading. The Government absolutely did not give the banks 700 billion. They exposed the state, and therefore the taxpayer, to a theoretical risk in the region of 850 billion. However this largely consisted of loan offers, debt guarantees etc. the majority of which were never taken up, and were only offered, at a fee, to restore a semblance of confidence in the banking system. The maximum downside risk was only ever theoretical. The actual purchase of shares was under 150 billion. Those loans which were taken up, were provided at substantial interest rates and a large proportion have been repaid. Debt underwriting and guarantees had insurance premiums attached, again yielding a return to the taxpayer, and share prices have recovered such that the taxpayer on paper at least has made a profit.

    I accept much of the criticism you level at investment bankers, although I feel you don't realise how small a percentage were involved in the toxic 'mortgage packages' which initiated the crisis. Many involved in other areas of investing produced a return throughout the crisis and no more blame should be attached to them than to you. I consider it was ineffective financial regulation, greed for the resulting tax bonanza, and above all the wanton waste of that bonanza by the Labour government, that was the largest cause of the recession. Incidentally investment banks contributed billions in tax from their 'frothy' profits. It was these tax receipts which paid for the 1,000,000 additional public sector workers which we didn't need. As it happens the bank bailout is likely to provide the British taxpayer with a better return than anything else the Labour government did.

    I am in full agreement that many of the bonuses being paid to individuals within investment banking are obscene, particularly in the current economic climate. Once again it is primarily the fault of national governments failing to agree multilateral controls on investment banks and investment bankers remuneration, despite having had three years to do so. Unilateral action is wholly ineffective.

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    Re: Is France ungovernable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveUK View Post
    Which is not their fault.
    I get tired to the bone of this "we're all in this together" BS. We weren't all in it together when the finance industry, aided and abbeted by corrup polititians emptied the pot were we? I don't remember being all in it together when the last government gave our banks the biggest social handout in history, and basically rewarded failiure with 700 billion of our money. And now to pay for it they want to make the poorest work longer, cut services that will hit the poorest the hardest.
    Good luck to them. It's a pity there aren't people in this country willing to do the same, instead of farting and whining about what clothes muslims wear.
    Major Sinic has said pretty much what I would have done in response to what would appear to be your lack of understanding of the vitally important detail of the debt crisis. A misunderstanding shared by many I should add, in particular those who want to turn what was originally an American domestic situation initiated by a government essentially trying to buy votes from poor and black voters under the guise of fairness and equality, into a left versus right political issue in other countries. Their selfish actions in response to this misunderstanding are only adds to the problems there are.
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