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    PCSOs cost 156,000 per crime detected

    Police Community Support Officers in one force detected just 50 crimes and handed out only 122 fines last year despite costing 7.8 million in wages.

    The figures from Hampshire break down to a cost of 156,000 for each crime detected and 63,934 for each fine handed out by the 330 PCSOs, who were paid an average of 23,636 a year.

    The statistics will continue the debate about the cost of PCSOs as forces across the country brace themselves for 25% budget cuts next month when the coalition Government announces its spending review.

    Alex Marshall, Hampshire Chief Constable, has warned that a fifth of his force, or 1,400 jobs, could be axed and he has already refused to take a 22,500 bonus.

    Campaign group the Taxpayers' Alliance said: ''These figures show the sad truth about PCSOs - they are nothing but a PR stunt. Taxpayers want real bobbies on the beat, not these plastic policemen.

    ''With no powers of arrest and incredibly low productivity, it is hard to see how these PCSOs are value for money for taxpayers, or indeed useful.

    But a statement from Hampshire Police said the primary function of the officers was not to detect crime but to be seen in the community.

    Chief Inspector Jeremy Patterson said: ''The role of a PCSO is to provide a visible presence on the streets and to engage with the community that they serve in.

    ''Therefore to judge their value in relation to the cost per crime detected or fixed penalty notice issued is not appropriate.''

    The figures obtained by the newspaper showed that in 2008/9 PCSOs detected 90 crimes and issued 124 fixed penalty notices.

    Source : PCSOs cost 156,000 per crime detected - Telegraph

    Couldn't have said it better myself - ''These figures show the sad truth about PCSOs - they are nothing but a PR stunt. Taxpayers want real bobbies on the beat, not these plastic policemen." Another good example of the way the Labour government wasted millions of pounds of our tax money on superficial appearances to buy votes on the basis of "we're doing something"!
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    Re: PCSOs cost 156,000 per crime detected

    PCSO are a waste of money, what we need are more community Police officers with a set beat who get to know the local people in a set area and start to sort out the antisocial behaviour plagging out streets.
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    Re: PCSOs cost 156,000 per crime detected

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    Police Community Support Officers in one force detected just 50 crimes and handed out only 122 fines last year despite costing 7.8 million in wages.

    The figures from Hampshire break down to a cost of 156,000 for each crime detected and 63,934 for each fine handed out by the 330 PCSOs, who were paid an average of 23,636 a year.

    The statistics will continue the debate about the cost of PCSOs as forces across the country brace themselves for 25% budget cuts next month when the coalition Government announces its spending review.

    Alex Marshall, Hampshire Chief Constable, has warned that a fifth of his force, or 1,400 jobs, could be axed and he has already refused to take a 22,500 bonus.

    Campaign group the Taxpayers' Alliance said: ''These figures show the sad truth about PCSOs - they are nothing but a PR stunt. Taxpayers want real bobbies on the beat, not these plastic policemen.

    ''With no powers of arrest and incredibly low productivity, it is hard to see how these PCSOs are value for money for taxpayers, or indeed useful.

    But a statement from Hampshire Police said the primary function of the officers was not to detect crime but to be seen in the community.

    Chief Inspector Jeremy Patterson said: ''The role of a PCSO is to provide a visible presence on the streets and to engage with the community that they serve in.

    ''Therefore to judge their value in relation to the cost per crime detected or fixed penalty notice issued is not appropriate.''

    The figures obtained by the newspaper showed that in 2008/9 PCSOs detected 90 crimes and issued 124 fixed penalty notices.

    Source : PCSOs cost 156,000 per crime detected - Telegraph

    Couldn't have said it better myself - ''These figures show the sad truth about PCSOs - they are nothing but a PR stunt. Taxpayers want real bobbies on the beat, not these plastic policemen." Another good example of the way the Labour government wasted millions of pounds of our tax money on superficial appearances to buy votes on the basis of "we're doing something"!
    I follow your process well Midas and agree with your view. All I would say is that in a 'difficult' council house area renowned as a Birmingham overspill area, where I was a governor at the local primary school - the PCSO was brilliant at turning up at a trouble spot before the local police could respond.

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    Re: PCSOs cost 156,000 per crime detected

    Quote Originally Posted by soloman View Post
    I follow your process well Midas and agree with your view. All I would say is that in a 'difficult' council house area renowned as a Birmingham overspill area, where I was a governor at the local primary school - the PCSO was brilliant at turning up at a trouble spot before the local police could respond.
    Like anything in the political or social arena, there are always exceptions to the rule whether it be good or bad, and you've obviously found one here I'm sure that the concept of PCSOs was a good one, and still could be as they could be used to say police many more of anti-social behaviour type crimes and had a few more teeth so to speak, leaving the regular police to handle the more serious stuff, but it seems that somewhere along the line the implementation of the concept has gone badly wrong.
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    Re: PCSOs cost 156,000 per crime detected

    It's a shame that we need to wait for statistics when most people could see that PCSO's were a waste of money.
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    Re: PCSOs cost 156,000 per crime detected

    Hi,

    Callaghan's Government stuffed the Steel Works, The Mines, railways and any other Government business with his unemployed.

    The last unlucky 13 years of economic illiteracy and political incompetence has seen the burgeoning of the Kleptocratic QUANGOcracy with its musical chairs for money culture and the few remaining government operations stuffed with the dross - have you spoken to these PCSOs they are as much use as a soup sandwich.

    I see them most days in town out sauntering around in pairs wasting everyones time or shopping for the local nick.

    A typical Labour scam.

    Fire every singe one of them - fire one third of the police - starting with all those with shaven heads, tattoos or over weight - if there are none left start recruiting from the Military.

    Give police support jobs to every soldier on completion of term with a clean slate.

    Then get them working not waddling around in pairs llike over weight ruptured ducks with attitude and too much stupid 'kit' to make up for the lack of ability.

    NHS NEXT!

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    Re: PCSOs cost 156,000 per crime detected

    Quote Originally Posted by ryoden View Post
    It's a shame that we need to wait for statistics when most people could see that PCSO's were a waste of money.
    However you can always twist statistics to your own advantage - if there were a lot more of them then the 'cost' per crime would go down!

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    Re: PCSOs cost 156,000 per crime detected

    Quote Originally Posted by soloman View Post
    However you can always twist statistics to your own advantage - if there were a lot more of them then the 'cost' per crime would go down!
    You're probably making a point more than suggesting their numbers are actually increased, I can't disagree with that point, but of course the overall cost would then go up, and based on performance so far there's no guarantee that any more crimes would be solved or potentially anti-social behaviour stopped.
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