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    Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under Coalition plans

    Now that sounds more like the action we have been waiting for. Until this report it has been next to impossible to comprehend the savings, but as the article says
    'ministers will point to the billions of pounds that are likely to be saved after the number of taxpayer-funded quangos soared under Labour to cost an estimated £65billion a year and employ more than 100,000 people'.

    It goes on 'A senior Whitehall source said: “These reforms represent the most significant rolling back of bureaucracy and the state for decades. Our starting point has been that every quango must not only justify its existence but its reliance on public money.” '

    Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under coalition plans - Telegraph

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    Re: Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under Coalition plans

    Quote Originally Posted by soloman View Post
    Now that sounds more like the action we have been waiting for. Until this report it has been next to impossible to comprehend the savings, but as the article says
    'ministers will point to the billions of pounds that are likely to be saved after the number of taxpayer-funded quangos soared under Labour to cost an estimated £65billion a year and employ more than 100,000 people'.

    It goes on 'A senior Whitehall source said: “These reforms represent the most significant rolling back of bureaucracy and the state for decades. Our starting point has been that every quango must not only justify its existence but its reliance on public money.” '

    Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under coalition plans - Telegraph
    Hi,

    on the face of it dismantling the Kleptocratic QUANGOcracy on which Labour was utterly dependent may seem a wise move but a good friend had the following to say:

    On the face of it, we should be delighted with the news here that a bonfire of quangos is being planned.

    However, while we may be looking a gift horse in the mouth, to commit the cardinal sin of mixing metaphors, I smell a rat. Having spent more of my life energy than I would care to admit researching the theory of deregulation (so much so that I never got round to publishing), my crucial finding was that every cyclical bout of deregulation presaged a further spate of regulation.

    The dynamics are so locked together that there is good evidence to suggest that each leap forward in state control actually requires a period of deregulation, that being used as the scapegoat for all government failings and thus the justification for more and greater controls.

    Thus, the way the progression works is that you have a spell of regulation (with the creation enforcement and administration bodies) and then a reaction, which leads to a partial deregulation. This, however, simply acts as a step towards a new bout of regulation, giving the march towards authoritarianism a jagged, "staircase" profile.

    Just abolishing quangos, therefore, is of little avail – unless you address the reasons why these bodies were created in the first place. Otherwise, all that happens is that the bodies transform themselves into different structures, but do not actually disappear (either that, or they go into hiding for a few years).

    And what is not visible is any attempt to address those reasons – the root cause of excessive regulation and officialdom, which probably means that this highly publicised initiative is just window dressing.
    It is damned annoying when someone puts sucinctly something you have been puzzling over for years!

    It would seem Gunga Din is alive and well.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

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    Re: Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under Coalition plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    on the face of it dismantling the Kleptocratic QUANGOcracy on which Labour was utterly dependent may seem a wise move but a good friend had the following to say:

    [ ... ]

    It is damned annoying when someone puts sucinctly something you have been puzzling over for years!

    It would seem Gunga Din is alive and well.
    I certainly can't fault the sentiments expressed by your friend, having applied a similar logic to some business problems in the past - sort out and rationalise issues which have got too complex, then rethink and reapply other rules if necessary. But of course at this stage it's just conjecture to say that this will happen again with the axed Quangos, at least whilst the coalition government is still in power. However should Labour regain power at some future point, I'm as certain as I can be we'll see them all, and perhaps even more, back in place

    In the meanwhile, let's just be thankful that action is being taken and many of these over-manned, over-expensive and pointless bureaucratic empires are being dismantled and consigned to where they belong.
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    Quango cuts: full list of bodies under review

    Here is the full list of quangos currently under review by coalition plans seen by the Daily Telegraph.


    Published: 10:24PM BST 23 Sep 2010


    I wonder if a list of such usless, worthless jobs, could EVER awaken the brainwashed British public?


    Administrative Justice and Tribunal Council

    Advisory Board on the Registration of Homeopathic Products
    Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens
    Advisory Committee on Antimicrobial Resistance and Healthcare Associated Infections
    Advisory Committee on Borderline Substances
    Advisory Committee on Carbon Abatement Technologies
    Advisory Committee on Historic Wreck Sites
    Advisory Committee on National Historic Ships
    Advisory Committee on Organic Standards
    Advisory Committee on Packaging
    Advisory Committee on Pesticides
    Advisory Committee on the Government Art Collection
    Advisory Committee on the safety of Blood, Tissues and Organs
    Advisory Council on Libraries
    Advisory Group on Hepatitis
    Advisory Panel on Local Innovation Awards
    Advisory Panel on Standards for the Planning Inspectorate
    Agricultural Dwelling House Committees (16 bodies)
    Agricultural Wages Board for England and Wales
    Agricultural Wages Committees (15 bodies)
    Air Quality Expert Group
    Alcohol Education and Research Council
    Animal Welfare Advisory Committee
    Appointments Commission
    Audit Commission
    British Educational Communications and Technology Agency
    British Nuclear Fuels
    British Shipbuilders
    British Waterways
    Capacity Builders
    Caribbean Board
    Churches Conservation Trust
    Commission for Integrated Transport
    Commission for Rural Communities
    Commissioner for the Compact
    Committee on Agricultural Valuation
    Committee on Carcogenicity of Chemicals in Food, Consumer Products and the Environment
    Committee on Medical Aspects of Air Pollutants
    Committee on Medical Aspects of Radiation in the Environment
    Committee on Mutagenicity of Chemicals in Food, Consumer Products and the Environment
    Committee on the Safety of Devices
    Commons Commissioners
    Consular Stakeholder Panel
    Council for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence
    Courts Boards (19 bodies)
    Crown Court Rule Committee
    Cycling England
    Darwin Advisory Committee
    Disability Employment Advisory Committee
    Disability Living/Attendance Allowance Advisory Board
    Disabled Persons' Transport Advisory Committee
    Expert Advisory Group on HIV/AIDS
    Expert Panel on Air Quality Standards
    Farm Animal Welfare Council
    Food from Britain
    Foreign Compensation Commission
    Gene Therapy Advisory Committee
    General Social Care Council
    General Teaching Council for England
    Genetics and Insurance Committee
    Government Hospitality Advisory Committee on the Purchase of Wines
    Government Strategic Marketing Advisory Board
    Health Protection Agency
    Hearing Aid Council
    Herbal Medicines Advisory Committee
    HM Inspectorate of Court Administration
    Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority
    Human Genetics Commission
    Human Tissue Authority
    Independent Advisory Group of Sexual Health and HIV
    Independent Advisory Group on Teenage Pregnancy
    Independent Living Fund
    Independent Review Panel for the Classification of Borderline Products
    Independent Review Panel on the Advertising of Medicines
    Infrastructure Planning Commission
    Inland Waterways Advisory Council
    Insolvency Practitioners Tribunal
    Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisations
    Legal Deposit Advisory Panel
    Legal Services Commission
    Legal Services Ombudsman
    London Thames Gateway Development Corporation*
    Main Honours Advisory Committee
    Maqistrates' Court Rule Committee
    Museums, Libraries and Archives Council
    National Housing and Planning Advice Unit
    National Information Governance Board
    National Joint Registry Steering Committee
    National Policing Improvement Agency
    National Standing Committee for Farm Animal Genetic Resources
    National Tenant Voice
    National Endowment for Science, Technology and Arts
    Office for the Civil Society Advisory Bodies
    Olympic Park Legacy Company*
    Pesticides Residues Committee
    Public Guardian Board
    Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency
    Railway Heritage Committee
    Regional Development Agencies (8 bodies)
    Renewables Advisory Board
    Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution
    School Food Trust
    School Support Staff Negotiating Body
    Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition
    Security Commission
    Security Industry Authority
    SITPRO
    Spongiform Encephalopathy Advisory Committee
    Standards Board for England
    Strategic Advisory Board for Intellectual Property
    Sustainable Development Commission
    Teachers TV Board
    The Theatres Trust
    Thurrock Thames Gateway Development Corporation*
    UK Chemical Weapons Convention National Authority Advisory Committee
    UK Film Council
    Union Modernisation Advisory Fund
    Veterinary Residues Committee
    Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment Advisory Board
    West Northamptonshire Development Corporation*
    Women's National Commission
    Zoos Forum
    * = Responsibility devolved to relevant Local Authority

    Public bodiess to be privatised (4 bodies)
    Construction and Skills Training Board
    Engineering Construction Industry
    Film Industry Training Board
    The Tote Board

    Public bodies to be merged or consolidated (Maximum of 129 bodies reduced to Minimum of 57)
    Advisory Committees on Justices of the Peace, (101 bodies – to be reduced to 49)
    Central Arbitration Committee, Single Arbitration Panel
    Certification Office, (as above)
    Competition Appeals Tribunal, Single Tribunals Service
    Competition Service, (as above)
    Copyright Tribunal, (as above)
    Police Advisory Board, (as above)
    Police Negotiating Board, (as above)
    Police Arbitration Tribunal, (as above)
    Rent Assessment Panels, (as above)
    Residential Property Tribunal Service, (as above)
    Valuation Tribunal for England, (as above)
    Valuation Tribunal Service, (as above)
    Crown Prosecution Service, Single Prosecution Service
    Revenue and Customs Prosecutions Office, (as above)
    English Heritage, Single Heritage Body
    National Heritage Memorial Fund, (as above)
    National Heritage Lottery Fund, (as above)
    Football Licensing Authority, Single Sport Body
    Sport England, (as above)
    UK Sport, (as above)
    Gambling Commission, Single Gambling Regulator
    National Lottery Commission, (as above)
    Ofcom, Single Communications Regulator
    Postcomm, (as above)
    Office of the Immigration Services Commissioner, Single Immigration Body
    Pensions Ombudsman, Single Pensions Regulator
    Pensions Protection Fund Ombudsman, (as above)
    Serious Organised Crime Agency, Merged into National Crime Agency

    Public bodies still under review (94 bodies)
    Advisory Committee on Conscientious Objectors
    Advisory Council on Public Records
    Advisory Council on National Records and Archives
    Advisory Council on Historical Manuscripts
    Advisory Panel on Public Sector Information
    Agricultural and Horticultural Development Board
    Animal Procedures Committee
    BBC World Service
    British Council
    British Hallmarking Council
    Building Regulations Advisory Committee
    Carbon Trust
    Chief Coroner of England and Wales
    Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission
    Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service
    Children's Workforce Development Council
    Civil Justice Council
    Coal Authority
    Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment
    Community Development Foundation
    Competition Commission
    Consumer Council for Water
    Consumer Focus
    Covent Garden Market Authority
    Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority
    Design Council
    Diplomatic Service Appeals Board
    Exports Credit Guarantee Department
    Energy Savings Trust
    Environment Agency
    Equality and Human Rights Commission
    Family Justice Council
    Firebuy
    Forestry Commission
    Fuel Poverty Advisory Group
    Historic Royal Palaces
    Homes and Community Agency
    Horserace Betting Levy Board
    Independent Safeguarding Authority
    Industrial Development Advisory Board
    Investigatory Powers Tribunal
    Joint Nature Conservation Committee
    Law Commission of England and Wales
    Leasehold Advisory Service
    Local Better Regulation Office
    National Museums and Galleries (18 bodies*)
    National Army Museum
    National College for Leadership of Schools and Children's Services
    National Employer Advisory Board
    National Forest Company
    National Museum of the Royal Navy
    Natural England
    Office for Fair Access
    Office for Fair Trading
    OFWAT
    Partnership for Schools
    Public Lending Right Committee
    Public Trustee Youth Justice Board
    Rail Passengers' Committee
    Remploy, Ltd.
    Renewable Fuels Agency
    Royal Air Force Museum
    Royal Botanical Gardens, Kew
    Royal Mint Advisory Committee on the Design of Coins, Medals, Seals and Decorations
    Sea Fish Industry Authority
    Student Loans Company
    Tenant Services Authority
    The National Archives
    The Office of the Children's Commissioner
    The Pensions Advisory Service
    Training and Development Agency for Schools
    UK Atomic Energy Agency
    UK India Round Table
    UK Supreme Court
    Visit Britain
    Visit England
    Young People's Learning Agency
    * Refers to those National Museums and Galleries in England which are publicly-funded by DCMS and receive rebates of VAT incurred in the course of their activities, in order them to enable free admission to the public. These are: The British Museum; The Imperial War Museum; The National Gallery; The National Maritime Museum; The National Museums & Galleries of Merseyside; The Natural History Museum; The Royal Armouries; The Science Museum; The National Museum of Photography, Film and Television; The National Railway Museum; The National Coal Mining Museum for England; The Tate Galleries; The Wallace Collection; The Greater Manchester Museum of Science and Industry; Sir John Soane’s Museum; The Museum of London; The Geffrye Museum; and The Horniman Museum. Other publicly-funded museums (The British Library, The National Army Museum, etc.) are separately referred to in this list, and museums in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are a devolved matter (although they also receive rebates of VAT).

    Public bodies which will be retained (350 bodies)
    ACAS
    Administration of Radioactive Substances Advisory Committee
    Advisory Committee on Business Appointments
    Advisory Committee on Civil Costs
    Advisory Committee on Clinical Excellence Awards
    Advisory Committee on Hazardous Substances
    Advisory Committee on Releases to the Environment
    Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs
    Advisory Group on Military Medicine
    Agricultural Land Tribunal
    Architects Registration Board
    Armed Forces Pay Review Body
    Arts Council England
    BBC
    Big Lottery Fund
    British Railway Board (Residuary) Ltd
    British Library
    British Pharmocopoeia Commission
    British Transport Police
    British Wool Marketing Board
    Broads Authority
    Capital for Enterprise
    Care Quality Commission
    Central Advisory Committee on Pensions and Compensation
    Central Office of Information
    Channel 4
    Charity Commission for England and Wales
    Civil Aviation Authority
    Civil Nuclear Police Authority and Constabulary
    Civil Procedure Rule Committee
    Civil Service Appeals Board
    Commission on Human Medicines
    Committee on Climate Change
    Committee on Radioactive Waste Management
    Committee on Standards in Public Life
    Commonwealth Development Corporation
    Commonwealth Scholarship Commission
    Courts Fund Office
    Criminal Cases Review Commission
    Criminal Procedure Rule Committee
    Defence Nuclear Safety Committee
    Defence Scientific Advisory Council
    Equality 2025
    Family Procedure Rule Committee
    Fire Service College
    Food Standards Agency
    Forensic Science Service
    Gangmasters Licensing Authority
    Great North Eastern Railways Ltd
    Higher Education Funding Council for England
    HM Inspectorate of Prisons
    HM Inspectorate of Probation
    HM Land Registry
    Horserace Betting Levy Appeal Tribunal
    House of Lords Appointment Commission
    Independent Advisory Panels on Deaths in Custody
    Independent Agricultural Appeals Panel
    Independent Housing Ombudsman
    Independent Monitoring Board for the Military Corrective Training Centre
    Independent Police Complaints Commission
    Independent Prison Monitoring Boards (147 bodies)
    Independent Reconfiguration Panel
    Industrial Injuries Advisory Council
    Information Commissioner's Office
    Insolvency Rules Committee
    Judicial Appointments Commission
    Judicial Appointments and Conduct Ombudsman
    Land Registration Rule Committee
    Legal Services Board
    Local Government Ombudsman
    London and Continental Railways Ltd
    Low Pay Commission
    Marine Management Organisation
    Marshall Aid Foundation
    Medical Education England
    Migration Advisory Committee
    Monitor
    National DNA Database Ethics Group
    National Employment Savings Trust
    National Parks Authorities (9 bodies)
    National Savings and Investments
    National School of Government
    Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes
    NHS Pay Review Body
    Northern Lighthouse Board
    Nuclear Decommissioning Authority
    Nuclear Liabilities Board
    Nuclear Liability Financing Assurance Board
    Nuclear Research Advisory Council
    Office of Judicial Complaints
    Office for Legal Complaints
    Office of Manpower Economics
    Office of Rail Regulation
    Office of Surveillance Commissioners
    Office of the Public Guardian
    Official Solicitor
    Ofgem
    Ofqual
    Ofsted
    Oil and Pipelines Agency
    Olympic Delivery Authority
    Olympic Lottery Distributor
    Ordnance Survey
    Parole Board
    Partnerships UK
    Pension Protection Fund
    Pensions Regulator
    Planning Inspectorate
    Plant Varieties and Seeds Tribunal
    Police Discipline Appeals Tribunal
    Prison Services Pay Review Body
    Prisons and Probation Ombudsman
    Probation Trusts (35 bodies)
    Research Councils (7 bodies)
    Restraint Accreditation Board
    Review Board for Government Contracts
    Review Body on Doctors' and Dentists' Remuneration
    Reviewing Committee on the Export of Works of Art
    Royal Mail Holdings Plc
    S4C
    School Teachers' Review Body
    Science Advisory Council
    Scientific Advisory Committee on the Medical Implications of Less-Lethal Weapons
    Security Vetting Appeals Panel
    Senior Salaries Review Body
    Sentencing Council for England and Wales
    Social Security Advisory Committee
    Technical Advisory Board
    Technical Assessor for Compensation of Miscarriages of Justice
    Technology Strategy Board
    The Royal Mint
    The Westminster Foundation for Democracy
    Traffic Commissioners and Deputies
    Treasure Valuation Committee
    Tribunals Procedure Rule Committee
    Tribunals Service
    Trinity House Lighthouse Service
    UK Anti Doping
    UK Commission for Employment and Skills
    UK Trade and Investment
    Veterans Advisory and Pensions Committees (13 bodies)
    Veterinary Products Committee
    Victims Commissioner
    Victim's Advisory Panel

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    Re: Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under Coalition plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    Hi,

    on the face of it dismantling the Kleptocratic QUANGOcracy on which Labour was utterly dependent may seem a wise move but a good friend had the following to say:



    It is damned annoying when someone puts sucinctly something you have been puzzling over for years!

    It would seem Gunga Din is alive and well.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
    Your friend raised some interesting points. One can only assume that SOME of the Quangoes were/are achieving some benefits. If or once they are gone will those supposed benefits still be there? I wonder.
    Labour has a history of creating useless bureaucracies to employ people who might otherwise be on the dole.

    But for example to do away with the Audit Commission will only work if the Coalition can successfully employ private accountancy firms to do the same task more efficiently. How can we be sure of that?

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    Re: Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under Coalition plans

    Quote Originally Posted by soloman View Post
    Your friend raised some interesting points. One can only assume that SOME of the Quangoes were/are achieving some benefits. If or once they are gone will those supposed benefits still be there? I wonder.
    Labour has a history of creating useless bureaucracies to employ people who might otherwise be on the dole.

    But for example to do away with the Audit Commission will only work if the Coalition can successfully employ private accountancy firms to do the same task more efficiently. How can we be sure of that?
    As I understand from the news reports I've seen/heard the work of many of these Quangos is simply going to be absorbed into the Civil Service department which they report to. It seems that they'll just cease to function as independent bodies, thus losing most of their overheads and associated costs, but the work they do, which is important in some cases, will be continued by their 'parent' department where it's thought necessary. Even if the cost saving is nowhere near the initially quoted figure, which it would appear was wildly over-stated, the very fact that a significant reduction in bureaucracy is taking place is important.
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    Re: Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under Coalition plans

    Quote Originally Posted by soloman View Post
    Your friend raised some interesting points. One can only assume that SOME of the Quangoes were/are achieving some benefits. If or once they are gone will those supposed benefits still be there? I wonder.
    Labour has a history of creating useless bureaucracies to employ people who might otherwise be on the dole.

    But for example to do away with the Audit Commission will only work if the Coalition can successfully employ private accountancy firms to do the same task more efficiently. How can we be sure of that?
    Hi,

    even if we can not employ private firms MORE efficiently at least it could not be less efficiently. Further we would not be liable for ongoing costs, redundancy scams and the obscene pensions of over paid Snivil Cervants etc.

    The QUANGOcracy provided ZERO benefit overall as it was as a concept a scam.

    Slightly different but in the same vein - why do we employ Snivil Cervants for our elected representatives to promptly employ consultants to do the job of the Snivil Cervants AND their own job?

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

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    Re: Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under Coalition plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    Hi,

    even if we can not employ private firms MORE efficiently at least it could not be less efficiently. Further we would not be liable for ongoing costs, redundancy scams and the obscene pensions of over paid Snivil Cervants etc.

    The QUANGOcracy provided ZERO benefit overall as it was as a concept a scam.

    Slightly different but in the same vein - why do we employ Snivil Cervants for our elected representatives to promptly employ consultants to do the job of the Snivil Cervants AND their own job?

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
    Interesting sideways look GLW!

    Have just heard on 5 Live that 68 Quango bosses earn more than the Prime Minister, with the published top salary of one being over £600,000! Get rid of springs to mind!

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    Re: Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under Coalition plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    As I understand from the news reports I've seen/heard the work of many of these Quangos is simply going to be absorbed into the Civil Service department which they report to. It seems that they'll just cease to function as independent bodies, thus losing most of their overheads and associated costs, but the work they do, which is important in some cases, will be continued by their 'parent' department where it's thought necessary. Even if the cost saving is nowhere near the initially quoted figure, which it would appear was wildly over-stated, the very fact that a significant reduction in bureaucracy is taking place is important.
    I one has to question why most of these Quangos were need in the first place as they seem to be duplication the work that specify departments within the Civil Service should have been doing in the first place. Now I appreciate the need to engage experts in a given field for advice/information/report/recommendation but should not the civil have people with the skills and knowledge in a given field to do the jobs with out Quangos?
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    Re: Quango cuts: 177 bodies to be scrapped under Coalition plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti View Post
    I one has to question why most of these Quangos were need in the first place as they seem to be duplication the work that specify departments within the Civil Service should have been doing in the first place. Now I appreciate the need to engage experts in a given field for advice/information/report/recommendation but should not the civil have people with the skills and knowledge in a given field to do the jobs with out Quangos?
    Hi,

    mainly to absorb the massive unemployment queue s created by 13 unlucky years of misrule and economic illiteracy.

    You may remember the last time Labour were in power with the economic illiterate Denis Healy and the bufoon Gentleman Jim who went from South Wales intellectual midget a no one to the top ten best dressed men in the world whilst he milked the system they stuffed their unemployed into mines and the steel industry neither of which had an economic output under Labour and when they were exposed as a sham it led to rioting!

    Just as the best and fairest tax in history was used, on the advice no doubt of the Kremlin who were consulted as to how to unseat the Tories by Labour and it was probably their idea to bus in rent a yob to protest at the Poll Tax which was based on fair pay for fair use.

    Closing the Kleptocratic QUANGOcracy is nothing more than smoking out parasites.

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