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    ASD/ADHD and the labelling of children.



    Topic split from here 9th June 2011.

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    As for your comment about ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder), I think you are making the classic mistake, or the parent is, of confusing one part of ASD (autistic spectrum disorder) with the whole of the diagnosis and often disability which comes as part of the package. Have you ever considered how difficult it is to live your life incapable of getting yourself dressed, brush your teeth etc when your brain is not capable of processing a set of instructions beyond one at a time? I have experience of how hard it is to get a child statemented and I wonder if you have the same attitude to children with a condition more obvious such as downs syndrome?
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    [COLOR="#483d8b"]*I do a lot of work through my profession with Welfare dependent families. I hardly know anyone who is on the basic rate. There are a myriad of enhancements & add on's that quite often bring payments up to substantial levels, particularly if you hit the jackpot of convincing someone that you have a "bad back" or "debilitating shyness," as neighbors of mine have done & managed to get your kid "statemented" with ADHD or some other nebulous condition!
    Have you seen all their bank statements and medical records then? As for "nebulous conditions" anyone who uses such terms loses all credibility to be frank.

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    Have you seen all their bank statements and medical records then? As for "nebulous conditions" anyone who uses such terms loses all credibility to be frank.
    "Losing credibility....." Well you would know all about that!

    Answer me one question then as you seem to have avoided the men in white coats & giant butterfly nets from when we last debate on this subject: How come the condition of ADHD is SO prevalent in areas of high welfare dependency if it is not a ideologically promoted & endorsed condition? Is Staffordshire Bull terrier slobber a carrier of such pathogens? It DOES exist, but is used in all too many cases as a PC "get out" clause to excuse the behavior of frankly scummy kids with even scummier behavior!

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    Re: Is it me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pup100 View Post
    "Losing credibility....." Well you would know all about that!

    Answer me one question then as you seem to have avoided the men in white coats & giant butterfly nets from when we last debate on this subject: How come the condition of ADHD is SO prevalent in areas of high welfare dependency if it is not a ideologically promoted & endorsed condition? Is Staffordshire Bull terrier slobber a carrier of such pathogens? It DOES exist, but is used in all too many cases as a PC "get out" clause to excuse the behavior of frankly scummy kids with even scummier behavior!

    Since we don't know exactly what causs ADHD it is difficult to say but there may be a link to early diet...too much sugar or chemicals of some sort.
    Those on lower incomes feed their children such food. However they also tend to be less strict with their children and more flexible in how they bring them up, letting them out more often unsopervised etc and making more excuses for them in school.
    Hard to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lois Lane View Post
    Since we don't know exactly what causs ADHD it is difficult to say but there may be a link to early diet...too much sugar or chemicals of some sort.
    Those on lower incomes feed their children such food. However they also tend to be less strict with their children and more flexible in how they bring them up, letting them out more often unsopervised etc and making more excuses for them in school.
    Hard to say.
    The problem with that assessment of the situation is, it is middle class parents who jump up and down and harrass doctors and schools to get ADHD diagnoses and special treatment.
    The poor children end up being barred from school, or playing truant and end up on a slippery slope of illegal drug use and criminality.

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    Re: Is it me?

    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    The problem with that assessment of the situation is, it is middle class parents who jump up and down and harrass doctors and schools to get ADHD diagnoses and special treatment.
    The poor children end up being barred from school, or playing truant and end up on a slippery slope of illegal drug use and criminality.
    Once agan you missed the point.
    And such generalities are false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lankou View Post
    The problem with that assessment of the situation is, it is middle class parents who jump up and down and harrass doctors and schools to get ADHD diagnoses and special treatment.
    The poor children end up being barred from school, or playing truant and end up on a slippery slope of illegal drug use and criminality.
    Yep! nothing is further up my "to do" list than getting my son onto Ritalin or it's replacement three times a day!

    You know full well that I deal with these people on a daily basis & they get all the medication & help a benevolent & ideologically staffed Socialist Social services unit can throw at them. The 9 year old that I take is on his 3 pair of what I estimate to be 60 -80 state provided glasses since the Spring. They bend, break, lose & scratch them, why do they care? the only inconvenience that they will suffer is yet another trip to the optician!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup100 View Post

    You know full well that I deal with these people on a daily basis & they get all the medication & help a benevolent & ideologically staffed Socialist Social services unit can throw at them. The 9 year old that I take is on his 3 pair of what I estimate to be 60 -80 state provided glasses since the Spring. They bend, break, lose & scratch them, why do they care? the only inconvenience that they will suffer is yet another trip to the optician!
    I don't know anything about you. I would also state if you think it is easy to get any benefit easily you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Social Services are overworked, underpaid (at the coal face level), and scared to death of being splattered all over the front page of the Daily Mail if anyone of their caseload dies.

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    Re: ASD/ADHD and the labelling of children.

    Isn't it also a case that far too many parents either don't know how to handle their own children or refuse to take responsibility for them, and therefore the attaching of a label as 'a condition' both absolves them from taking any further responsibility (in their mind at least) and in many cases qualifies them for further welfare aid?
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    Re: Is it me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pup100 View Post
    "Losing credibility....." Well you would know all about that!

    Answer me one question then as you seem to have avoided the men in white coats & giant butterfly nets from when we last debate on this subject:!
    Sorry I have no idea what you are on about.

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