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    Very widely reported in the media today, how out of control are salaries paid to unregulated public servants. It doesn't directly follow that civil servants should be paid less than the Prime Minister but it is at least an indicator on how they are rewarded. In the BBC piece through the link below, it is the Director General of the BBC who receives a total of 838,000! Is there anyone out there who considers that reasonable?

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    Re: 9,000 in public sector get more pay than PM

    Quote Originally Posted by soloman View Post
    Very widely reported in the media today, how out of control are salaries paid to unregulated public servants. It doesn't directly follow that civil servants should be paid less than the Prime Minister but it is at least an indicator on how they are rewarded. In the BBC piece through the link below, it is the Director General of the BBC who receives a total of 838,000! Is there anyone out there who considers that reasonable?

    BBC News - 9,000 in public sector get more pay than prime minister
    A couple of comments. Firstly as you rightly point out there's no real relevance to the PM's pay - which incidentally I feel is much too low for the work involved - and although the Civil Service seems to be stuffed full of an inordinate number of over-paid lame ducks (with apologies to anyone here who is one of its hard working and conscientious employees), there are also many highly skilled and efficient employees, especially further up the ladder, and their pay has to to be looked at in terms of responsibility and effectiveness and has to be in line with the norm for people in their position in private industry. None of which implies that I don't think many are over-paid by the way!

    Secondly the salary of the Director General of the BBC has to be on a par with what CEOs in other equivalent media companies receive, which it is. A very quick search has shown that the CEOs of both ITV and Channel 4 have received over 1 million a year (although bonuses have been voluntarily reduced this year), as do the senior executives at Virgin Media. Whether the BBC's DG's salary is good value for money is a different matter of course, and one I doubt any of us is really qualified to comment on.
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    Re: 9,000 in public sector get more pay than PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    A couple of comments. Firstly as you rightly point out there's no real relevance to the PM's pay - which incidentally I feel is much too low for the work involved - and although the Civil Service seems to be stuffed full of an inordinate number of over-paid lame ducks (with apologies to anyone here who is one of its hard working and conscientious employees), there are also many highly skilled and efficient employees, especially further up the ladder, and their pay has to to be looked at in terms of responsibility and effectiveness and has to be in line with the norm for people in their position in private industry. None of which implies that I don't think many are over-paid by the way!

    Secondly the salary of the Director General of the BBC has to be on a par with what CEOs in other equivalent media companies receive, which it is. A very quick search has shown that the CEOs of both ITV and Channel 4 have received over 1 million a year (although bonuses have been voluntarily reduced this year), as do the senior executives at Virgin Media. Whether the BBC's DG's salary is good value for money is a different matter of course, and one I doubt any of us is really qualified to comment on.
    Hi,

    I fundamentally disagree with ANYONE on the public purse being paid more than the head of that public purse The PM.

    I do not believe there would be anything but an improvement had every single individual on a higher salary been dismissed or accept the new pay grade last Monday.

    IF every one paid over that sum moved and opted to go elsewhere there would only be the private sector - if as a result the private sector out competed the public sector that would be wonderfull we could shrink the public sector and transfer the jobs to the private sector but ONLY where there was a net gain in cost and service.

    We may loose a tiny percentage worth the money but the nett gain would be massive.

    Down grade the pay of every single one and if they walk hire at the new rate to replace them and give the money back to those it was stolen from.

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    Re: 9,000 in public sector get more pay than PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    Hi,

    I fundamentally disagree with ANYONE on the public purse being paid more than the head of that public purse The PM.

    I do not believe there would be anything but an improvement had every single individual on a higher salary been dismissed or accept the new pay grade last Monday.

    IF every one paid over that sum moved and opted to go elsewhere there would only be the private sector - if as a result the private sector out competed the public sector that would be wonderfull we could shrink the public sector and transfer the jobs to the private sector but ONLY where there was a net gain in cost and service.

    We may loose a tiny percentage worth the money but the nett gain would be massive.

    Down grade the pay of every single one and if they walk hire at the new rate to replace them and give the money back to those it was stolen from.

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    Greg_L-W.
    I have considerable sympathy with your ideas Greg although suspect most of them are at least impractical!

    It always used to be the contention that because of the high security attached to a civil service job, that the salary was less than for the 'riskier' employment in private industry. Somehow that notion has been reversed so that now, not only do they earn considerably more but are granted unaffordable pension schemes too, followed by the usual 'gong' if they stay the course! Sling 'em all out you won't notice the difference!

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    Re: 9,000 in public sector get more pay than PM

    Quote Originally Posted by manrow View Post
    Sling 'em all out you won't notice the difference!
    I've a great deal of sympathy for that view! Especially if we had a rationalisation of the many laws of the land and a policy of pull your weight or you're out, I'm pretty sure that we could have a cut of at least 50% in the number of civil servants, and probably a similar number of local authority employees, without significantly affecting the quality of services. But of course that would bring its own set of problems - what would they all do?
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    Re: 9,000 in public sector get more pay than PM

    The salaries of some Public sector workers is a joke. Labour made the problem worse by allowing councils to hike up the council tax and employ far too many people in non jobs on high wages and fat pensions. For me nobody in public service should earn more than the PM.Public service is a choice,to serve your community not to rob it blind.
    Tear up all their contracts and allow them to apply for the jobs that we need,not the jobs (under labours social masterplan) that they think we need

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    Re: 9,000 in public sector get more pay than PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post

    Secondly the salary of the Director General of the BBC has to be on a par with what CEOs in other equivalent media companies receive, which it is. A very quick search has shown that the CEOs of both ITV and Channel 4 have received over 1 million a year (although bonuses have been voluntarily reduced this year), as do the senior executives at Virgin Media. Whether the BBC's DG's salary is good value for money is a different matter of course, and one I doubt any of us is really qualified to comment on.
    Whether qualified or not Midas I am entitled to comment as its my money thats paying for it. To receive more than the PM in a public sector job is wrong. If they dont like it let them apply for a job at Sky,ITV or wherever,or better still turn the left leaning parasites off, for good

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    Re: 9,000 in public sector get more pay than PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    I've a great deal of sympathy for that view! Especially if we had a rationalisation of the many laws of the land and a policy of pull your weight or you're out, I'm pretty sure that we could have a cut of at least 50% in the number of civil servants, and probably a similar number of local authority employees, without significantly affecting the quality of services. But of course that would bring its own set of problems - what would they all do?
    Hi,

    Why would their doing nothing be a problem - most Snivil Cervants have done nothing the people would want done anyway!

    When we leave the EU they will have a work load drop of a huge percentage with so few laws left to destroy Britain which they all enforce on Britain on behalf of a foreign and utterly alien undemocratic absolute power.

    On the huge wage they have let us hopw they saved! Secondly if they are so valuable in the public sector they will have no difficulty getting real jobs in the private sector.

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    Greg_L-W.

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    Re: 9,000 in public sector get more pay than PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwalker View Post
    The salaries of some Public sector workers is a joke. Labour made the problem worse by allowing councils to hike up the council tax and employ far too many people in non jobs on high wages and fat pensions. For me nobody in public service should earn more than the PM.Public service is a choice,to serve your community not to rob it blind.
    Tear up all their contracts and allow them to apply for the jobs that we need,not the jobs (under labours social masterplan) that they think we need
    Hi,

    it is clear Labour extended non jobs in the public sector and also the Kleptocratic QUANGOcracy for two reasons - one to hide their incompetence and provide jobs for the near unemployable and secondly to create a 'salary vote' and by packing the QUANGOcracy with Labour supporting unemployables they will vote for Labour to keep their joke job.

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    Re: 9,000 in public sector get more pay than PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    A couple of comments. Firstly as you rightly point out there's no real relevance to the PM's pay - which incidentally I feel is much too low for the work involved
    I disagree - all PMs when they retire turn the privilege of leading their Country to great financial reward.

    Pay them 100K and then free housing and free travel and all relevant bills paid from the public purse - END OF!

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    - and although the Civil Service seems to be stuffed full of an inordinate number of over-paid lame ducks (with apologies to anyone here who is one of its hard working and conscientious employees), there are also many highly skilled and efficient employees, especially further up the ladder, and their pay has to to be looked at in terms of responsibility and effectiveness and has to be in line with the norm for people in their position in private industry. None of which implies that I don't think many are over-paid by the way!
    Nope - we should let ALL non core Snivil Cervice job float to the private sector - if it can't stand on its own grounds shut it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    Secondly the salary of the Director General of the BBC has to be on a par with what CEOs in other equivalent media companies receive, which it is. A very quick search has shown that the CEOs of both ITV and Channel 4 have received over 1 million a year (although bonuses have been voluntarily reduced this year), as do the senior executives at Virgin Media. Whether the BBC's DG's salary is good value for money is a different matter of course, and one I doubt any of us is really qualified to comment on.
    IF the BBC can't survive - shut it! I believe that if they removed the top 100 earners the only loss would be a huge amount of propaganda, boot licking and the vaste amount of money saved to spend on competent programmes and some decent presenters and FAR LESS cult.

    IF it doesn't work in competition use the license money to fund Al Jezera - which I find excellent for news!

    The BBC has become so biased and poor standard that why save it if it is not competitive.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

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