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    Edinburgh City Council Leaders - Out Of Control And Drunk On Their Own Ego.

    On Thursday, this week, Edinburgh city council leaders will welcome the head of the billion dollar corporation and largest paedophile ring that is the Catholic Church.

    I make no apologies for my choice of words. They are not selected for shock and awe purposes. They are selected because they can be backed up by a mountain of evidence, which illustrates, quite clearly, that the cap very much does fit.

    The cost of this visit is astronomical. This is an insult to ordinary people who, while having to pick up the cost of this 'state visit', are, at the same time, being told that essential public services are being slashed. My mother is Maltese/Italian. Malta is perhaps the most devoutly RC nation, in Europe. And yet, it appears that even there, the younger generation are finally awakening from their slumber, and seeing the Pope, his priests, his nuns, and the Vatican for what they really are. On a recent visit to the island, the Pope was given a somewhat mixed reaction, something which would have been unthinkable there, just a few years ago.

    In a recent poll, some 80% of people in Edinburgh said they did not want this visit - yet, the city leaders, drunk on their own pomposity and arrogance, they force it on us anyway, forgetting that, in principle, they are there to serve our wishes, not the other way around. If the Vatican had been picking up the whole cost of this, I would have had less problem with it. However, it is taxpayer's money that is being (mis)used, and the people of Edinburgh have a duty, imo, to tell the city leaders, enough is very much enough.

    This is on top of the vanity project that is the tram project.

    The present bill for that is in the region of 150 million and counting, once again, our money, once again, no public consultation. They dare not have asked. Had they done so, the good people of this fine city would have rejected it, of that I am certain.

    This is on top of the fact that once (if ever), the tram project is complete, Lothian Buses (voted among the best bus service in the UK), will cease to exist, and, in it's place, it will become Transport Edinburgh. There will be great cuts to the bus services that you presently enjoy. And not for the better. It is estimated that TE will, for a period of at least ten years, run at a loss of 5 MILLION per annum. Of course, to offset the balance, you can guess who the city leaders will take money from. Can't you?

    We, the people, have been totally neutered, and we should be more than furious, we should be engaging in direct action, to show the city leaders that we do not care for their ilk, and that we will no longer tolerate their self indulgent ways.

    One method of doing this would be, imo, a demonstration of mass civil disobedience, perhaps by way of withholding a portion of our council tax. If sufficient numbers of people had the guts to do that one thing, then it would send out a strong message, and the city council could not use their bully boys at Scott & Co to frighten everyone (as they do now).

    If you are from Edinburgh, and feel strongly about the subjects that I have raised here, please, feel free to add your own thoughts.

    This is NOT an attack on people who happen to be RC, my own mother is, and she is a great women, this is a direct attack on our city leaders, the Vatican, paedophile priests, and the hierarchy that hide them.

    Thank you for reading,

    JN

    We know what the methods of the church were during this period. When it was discovered that a child had been raped by a priest, the church swore everybody involved to secrecy, and moved the priest on to another parish. When he raped more children, they too were sworn to secrecy, and he was moved on to another parish. And on, and on. Over 10,000 people have come forward to say they were raped as part of this misery-go-round. The church insisted all cases be kept from the police and dealt with by their own "canon" law which can only "punish" child rapists to prayer or penitence or, on rare occasions, defrocking.

    (full article)

    Johann Hari: Catholics, it's you this Pope has abused - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent


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    Re: Edinburgh City Council Leaders - Out Of Control And Drunk On Their Own Ego.

    Everything you have said I agree with. It makes me want to scream that the church, (I can't capitalise it), have condoned and colluded with this evil. Now we have official Scottish participation in the fiasco. There are few things that make me as mad as this topic does.

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    Re: Edinburgh City Council Leaders - Out Of Control And Drunk On Their Own Ego.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lots2say View Post
    Everything you have said I agree with. It makes me want to scream that the church, (I can't capitalise it), have condoned and colluded with this evil. Now we have official Scottish participation in the fiasco. There are few things that make me as mad as this topic does.
    You also have my wholehearted agreement in respect of the Pope's visit, not just to Edinburgh but to the UK as a whole; the Catholic church is indeed very much as Jack describes it, and it typifies what much of organised religion has become, albeit on a grander scale than most. I really can't comment on the tram issue as I have no knowledge of it, however it sounds very much like the way that many local authorities, in their arrogance, act, and is something which should be stopped immediately pending a totally independent review.
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    Re: Edinburgh City Council Leaders - Out Of Control And Drunk On Their Own Ego.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lots2say View Post
    Everything you have said I agree with. It makes me want to scream that the church, (I can't capitalise it), have condoned and colluded with this evil. Now we have official Scottish participation in the fiasco. There are few things that make me as mad as this topic does.
    Right the way throughout histrory, church and state have always been willing bedfellows, LTS.

    It's no coincidence, it is done for a good reason.

    The question is, are people passionate enough to actually do anything about it, or are we now so dumbed down, apathetic, and drunk on television opium, the X Factor et all, to ever care?

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    Re: Edinburgh City Council Leaders - Out Of Control And Drunk On Their Own Ego.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    You also have my wholehearted agreement in respect of the Pope's visit, not just to Edinburgh but to the UK as a whole; the Catholic church is indeed very much as Jack describes it, and it typifies what much of organised religion has become, albeit on a grander scale than most. I really can't comment on the tram issue as I have no knowledge of it, however it sounds very much like the way that many local authorities, in their arrogance, act, and is something which should be stopped immediately pending a totally independent review.
    Think Millenium Dome, and the public money that was wasted on that.

    It's along those lines, Midas.

    It makes me want to actually weep, we are told we have to tighten 'our' belts, and that there will be cuts to essential services, while, at the same time, the controllers will spend OUR money on what are no more than ill conceived vanity projects.

    We could have the best schools in Europe.

    We could have the best roads in Europe.

    We could have the best job creation in Europe.

    We could have the best healthcare in Europe.

    All of these things (and more), are possible, yet, they never will be so, not until the ordinary people of our nation grow a pair, cease to be tricked into picking on those least able to defend themselves, and see where the real problem lies.

    Thanks

    JN

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    Re: Edinburgh City Council Leaders - Out Of Control And Drunk On Their Own Ego.

    So what does the pope's visit have to do with anything? How does this apply to spending towards trains and the such? It is up to you what you do and how you you spend your money. So a visit by the pope and the money spent for security for him has an affect on your country?

    Nonsense.

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    Re: Edinburgh City Council Leaders - Out Of Control And Drunk On Their Own Ego.

    Quote Originally Posted by Durzo Blint View Post
    So what does the pope's visit have to do with anything? How does this apply to spending towards trains and the such? It is up to you what you do and how you you spend your money. So a visit by the pope and the money spent for security for him has an affect on your country?

    Nonsense.
    When I first read this, I pondered how one could write such an incoherent post.

    Then I noticed your location, and it all fell into place

    Your post makes NO(sense).

    Please review it, rewrite it, and I shall attempt to answer it.

    Many thanks,

    JN

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    Re: Edinburgh City Council Leaders - Out Of Control And Drunk On Their Own Ego.

    Hi, I was not trying to be rude or anything. I was just giving an honest reaction to what I read. I guess I was wrong in what I said, and I looking back I could of worded that better. My bad, though I was really just being honest. I really do wish the best for your country and hope you do get better schools and roads and such. Also one could hope they never let the pope out of Rome again.

    Have a wonderful day.

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    Re: Edinburgh City Council Leaders - Out Of Control And Drunk On Their Own Ego.

    Quote Originally Posted by Durzo Blint View Post
    Hi, I was not trying to be rude or anything. I was just giving an honest reaction to what I read. I guess I was wrong in what I said, and I looking back I could of worded that better. My bad, though I was really just being honest. I really do wish the best for your country and hope you do get better schools and roads and such. Also one could hope they never let the pope out of Rome again.

    Have a wonderful day.
    Fair play to you for this post.

    The reason the Papal visit pissed off the people of the UK was that;

    A) We had to pay for it (at a time when our 'leaders' are cutting back on essential services).

    B) All polls indicated that the overwhelming majority in this country, did not want the visit (but we got it anyway).

    C) The tram/dome thing, it is PUBLIC funds that are used to finance what are tantamount to vanity projects (again, when the money could be used for much better things).

    Take care,

    JN

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    Re: Edinburgh City Council Leaders - Out Of Control And Drunk On Their Own Ego.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
    Fair play to you for this post.

    The reason the Papal visit pissed off the people of the UK was that;

    A) We had to pay for it (at a time when our 'leaders' are cutting back on essential services).

    B) All polls indicated that the overwhelming majority in this country, did not want the visit (but we got it anyway).

    C) The tram/dome thing, it is PUBLIC funds that are used to finance what are tantamount to vanity projects (again, when the money could be used for much better things).

    Take care,

    JN
    Could not aggree more, we are Billions in the whole yet we can blow 150mil on a visit my a man that most of the population doesn't care about or want to see. If you want to see the Pope go to bloody Rome and see him.

    As for the Dome, dumm idea in the first place a Millenium Hospital, School etc would have been a better Idea. How much did we sell/give it to O2 for??? Why couldn't we rent it out or run it as a going concern like 02???
    I'm in my 30's, live like I'm still in my 20's and gripe like I'm in my 60's!

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