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    RESIDENTS across Harrow have vented their anger about proposals to have Halal-only menus in primary schools in the borough. Meat is meat. What does it matter how its killed? These stupid parents should find other things to whine about. Halal meat is more hygienically processed anyway.The newspaper revealed exclusively how Harrow Council has employed a catering company to only prepare Halal meat to serve youngsters in Harrow. This is nothing new to my knowledge, Tower Hamlets council been doing Halal meat in schools for at least 3 years or more.

    The Halal slaughter method (along with Shechita which is the name for pretty much the same method used by Jews) is not cruel at all. When the animal's throat is slit, it results in a massive drop in blood pressure causing pretty much instantaneous unconsciousness. As long as the cut is performed correctly the animal will feel a mere instant of pain compared to the intense suffering they can go through in abattoir's with the "normal" slaughter method. The link that has been made between this story and Britain becoming an Islamic State is a bit extreme. The majority of British people are atheist. But it doesn't mean we can't try and make life easier and better for people of all faiths and cultures. All children should be offered a choice. That way Muslims can eat what they want and non-Muslims can eat what they want.

    The Muslim community has been passing through a phase of fourth Crusades. The battleground is the field of education, where the young generation will be educated properly with the Holly Quran in one hand and Sciences in other hand to serve humanity. A true Muslim is a citizen of the world, which has become a small global village. We are going to prepare our youth to achieve that objective in the long run. A true Muslim believes in Prophet Moses and the Prophet Jesus and without them one cannot be a Muslim. My suggestion is that in all state, independent and Christian based school special attention should be given to the teaching of Comparative Religion and Islam should be taught by qualified Muslim Teachers to make the children aware the closeness of Islam to Christianity and Judaism which will help them to think about Islam, as A Pragmatic and Modern Way of Life, during their life time. Those state schools where Muslim children are in majority may be opted out as Muslim Academies.

    Bilingual Muslim children need to learn and be well versed in Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. The problem is that they learn English in the streets and in the playgrounds. British schooling does not teach English to migrant children. The teachers let them speak the same accent in the classroom. They have no courage to stop them or correct them. This is one of the main reasons why one third of children have difficulties with reading when they leave primary schools. Majority of such children are bilingual Muslims. They often speak "street" with its own grammar, vocabulary and pronunciation. In other European countries and in the sub-continent argot and slang are not allowed into the classrooms. In Britain primary school teachers do not feel that it's role to interfere with self-expression in any shape or form. They encourage children to read poems and stories written in ethnic dialects.

    There are couples of state schools in Harrow where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies so that non-Muslim children could enjoy their own meals in their own schools.
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    To my mind this is just another attempt by you to try to justify why we as tax payers should pay for the Muslim community to have special treatment, well get used to it you are not entitled to special treatment. The education system is designed to teach all, not to section out a religious minority and give them special treatment.
    Schools should be educational establishments and that is it pure and simple, there should be no religious involvement, with religious education being an overlook of all the main religions and their history.
    You want nothing more than to drive a wedge between communities by insisting that in schools Islam takes priority, well it doesn't, get used to it. IF Muslim parents want a more muslim education, then they should set up a private muslim school and bloody well pay for it. Not try to take more public funding than they are entitled to.
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    I agree with Scooby. The main religion in the UK is Church of England, even if most of us are Atheist, and when I went to school we had Christian hymns at morning assembly and normal food in the canteen, soggy cabbage and all. Anyone who didn't want to attend assembly because they were a different religion simply stayed away and if they needed a special diet at lunchtime, they brought their own. You won't see Yorkshire pudding on the menu in Saudi Arabia, nor would I expect to.

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    Hmmmmm, I don't think that Yorkshire pudding is in quite the same category as Halal meat! I see what you are saying but if we are to be true to the 'like it or lump it' philosophy then vegetarians, diabetics and so on should have no special provisions made either. As for the soggy cabbage and prunes and custard of my school days - give me real food any day.

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    If there are some people that can only eat meat prepared in one sort of way (Halal) and some that can eat whatever they like then I don't see that I could have a valid moral objection to all of them eating Halal. It's not like I will die if I eat Halal meat.

    Is it more expensive though? I've always assumed that non-Halal methods of meat processing are more "mass production" than Halal so are presumably cheaper. I don't want my taxes paying for Muslims (or Jews or Christians) fussy eating at school. We are the majority - they should integrate if the alternative is costing me money. I'm not a racist - as I said, I have no moral objection to everyone eating Halal but there's a recession on so if this would cost our schools more money in what clearly needs to be a time of belt tightening then I don't see that there can be any argument. The British economy needs to come before the fussy eating of a minority group.

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    Re: Halal-only Menus

    Quote Originally Posted by Lots2say View Post
    Hmmmmm, I don't think that Yorkshire pudding is in quite the same category as Halal meat! I see what you are saying but if we are to be true to the 'like it or lump it' philosophy then vegetarians, diabetics and so on should have no special provisions made either. As for the soggy cabbage and prunes and custard of my school days - give me real food any day.
    But neither diabetics nor vegetarians require special provisions in school canteens, they either eat meat and sugary food or they don't, it is not a school or council responsibility. Frankly the idea of special preparations just so Muslims can feel special is absurd. I doubt that most Muslim children actually care if the meat their eating is Halal or not, and if they really do then I'm sure they can bring themselves to take their own lunch to school if they feel that strongly about it.

    Amazingly I actually agree with Iftikhar in regards to the speaking of English in the classroom. IMO English should be the only language spoken in the classroom (aside from LOTE obviously), and children should not be allowed to present any work or speeches not in English.

    In regards to his Muslim annexation of schools it is plainly ludicrous, and is essentially a form of Islamic imperialism.

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    A couple of points on this one. The first is that I really don't think the majority of people who eat it care how their meat is slaughtered as long as it tastes OK, so from that point of view, halal or not shouldn't really be an issue. The second though is by far the most important point, and that this is yet another example of authorities pandering to the demands of ethnic and religious minorities against the wishes of the vast majority of British citizens - witness the anger of the locals where this is being done.

    Iftikhar, answer me this will you. How would you feel if there was a substantial British group in say Lahore or Karachi who demanded that all meat served in schools where their own children went was not halal slaughtered, and the authorities there agreed to it, your own children having to eat it as well whether they liked to or not? I'm pretty sure such requests would be rejected out of hand, but if they were acceded to, I bet you and most of the Islamic population would be up in arms over it; yes? It's exactly the same in reverse here; remember, you are in England and should abide by our customs. If you want halal slaughtered meat, get your children to bring their own, don't expect us to provide it for you.
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    Salaam

    All children should be offered a choice. That way Muslims can eat what they want and non-Muslims can eat what they want.

    There are couples of state schools in Harrow where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies so that non-Muslim children could enjoy their own meals in their own schools.

    There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies. This is the solution to all the issues and problems faced by Muslim community and the host community. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

    Multicultural Britain has a relatively large broad trilingual population whose skills are under recognised and understood.Those skills should be used as a bonus, but British schooling has been trying its best to discourage them not to learn and speak their mother tongues. According to an anthropological linguist, when a language dies, its heritage and identity will die with it. There is a positive co-relation between language and culture. Language and culture are interconnected.

    A report by the Institute for Community Cohesion found that native parents were deserting some schools after finding their children out numbered by pupils from ethnic minorities. Schools in parts of England are becoming increasingly segregated. The study focused on 13 local authorities. Many of the schools and colleges are segregated and this was generally worsening over recent years. This is RACISM because British society is the home of institutional racism. My statement regarding Muslim schools where there is no place for non-Muslim child or a teacher is based on educational process and not on racism. Muslim children need Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. For higher studies and research, Muslim teacher is not a priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    A couple of points on this one. The first is that I really don't think the majority of people who eat it care how their meat is slaughtered as long as it tastes OK, so from that point of view, halal or not shouldn't really be an issue. The second though is by far the most important point, and that this is yet another example of authorities pandering to the demands of ethnic and religious minorities against the wishes of the vast majority of British citizens - witness the anger of the locals where this is being done.

    Iftikhar, answer me this will you. How would you feel if there was a substantial British group in say Lahore or Karachi who demanded that all meat served in schools where their own children went was not halal slaughtered, and the authorities there agreed to it, your own children having to eat it as well whether they liked to or not? I'm pretty sure such requests would be rejected out of hand, but if they were acceded to, I bet you and most of the Islamic population would be up in arms over it; yes? It's exactly the same in reverse here; remember, you are in England and should abide by our customs. If you want halal slaughtered meat, get your children to bring their own, don't expect us to provide it for you.
    Thank you Midas for your usual common sense post. There are so many inaccuracies in Iftikhar's post which warrant correction.
    Firstly the Halal method of slaughter IS CRUEL, and don't let anyone try to convince you otherwise. Were it not for pathetic political correctness in this country it would be banned. As Midas alludes our method of slaughter would not be accepted in the Muslim world at all on religious grounds; it has nothing to do with good animal practices, but everything to do with how one reads the words of a long dead activist.
    Secondly the battle ground is indeed education. If we are not careful we will end up with all that we value as British being subjugated to the minorities to call the tune. This is not democracy I hope the majority will realise.

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    Re: Halal-only Menus

    If you have ever had a Kebab you have more than likely eaten Halal meat. Midas points out that most people dont give a thought to how their meat is slaughtered.
    I for one dont give a monkey's as long as it tastes good and Halal meat does.As long as there are controls on the slaughter I dont see the difference between a slit throat, a bolt through the head,electrocution or neck breaking.
    Obviously though Muslims do,and there lies the problem.They have turned the simple act of killing and eating meat into a conflict of religions. No I diddnt care, but I do now,If Muslim fruitcakes see it as a way of Islamifying the UK then tell them to bugger off.
    Kebabs are off, Its down the Chinky for me from now on
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