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    The area I call home has twice the national average of recorded crime in the personal violence category and 50% more sexual assaults. In fact all bar one area scores higher. We are fed stories of massive reductions overall since last year but it's hard to have faith in those figures. Can we really continue to blame unemployment for this situation? Or is it time to acknowledge that some folk are too far into the deviant lifestyle to be saved?

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    Re: Living with crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Lots2say View Post
    The area I call home has twice the national average of recorded crime in the personal violence category and 50% more sexual assaults. In fact all bar one area scores higher. We are fed stories of massive reductions overall since last year but it's hard to have faith in those figures. Can we really continue to blame unemployment for this situation? Or is it time to acknowledge that some folk are too far into the deviant lifestyle to be saved?
    Hmm, we've had an average 9.8% drop in crime round here over the last 12 months, with burglaries down by around 25% and vehicle crime down by about 14%, although there has been an 11% rise in violent crime. But your point about the lifestyle of some people is well made, and I would tend to agree with you; from what I've read and heard from people I know within the justice system, a significant percentage of habitual crime does tend to centre round a relatively small percentage of people, the balance of petty and opportunistic crime being fairly evenly spread round the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    Hmm, we've had an average 9.8% drop in crime round here over the last 12 months, with burglaries down by around 25% and vehicle crime down by about 14%, although there has been an 11% rise in violent crime. But your point about the lifestyle of some people is well made, and I would tend to agree with you; from what I've read and heard from people I know within the justice system, a significant percentage of habitual crime does tend to centre round a relatively small percentage of people, the balance of petty and opportunistic crime being fairly evenly spread round the population.

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    I am not sure any of these numbers can be relied upon. The last government was extremely adept at changing the basis on which crimes were recorded.
    Equally over the last 13 years the police have been instructed not to attend certain categories of crimes and hence these may have gone unrecorded. Paperwork after arrest has been no incentive to police to work hard apprehending wrong-doers, so overall I totally discount the present trend statistics! Lets watch the next series in about 6 months time?

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    Re: Living with crime

    I would say crime was on the increase. Reported crime is a completly different kettle of fish to actual crime. Statistics dont mean a diddely squat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soloman View Post
    I am not sure any of these numbers can be relied upon. The last government was extremely adept at changing the basis on which crimes were recorded.
    Equally over the last 13 years the police have been instructed not to attend certain categories of crimes and hence these may have gone unrecorded. Paperwork after arrest has been no incentive to police to work hard apprehending wrong-doers, so overall I totally discount the present trend statistics! Lets watch the next series in about 6 months time?
    OK, I'll accept that, although the figures I quoted from the Home Office website are supposed to be for all reported crime, not just attended-to crime. But your point about an increasing number of people not even bothering to report many forms of crime, unless there's an insurance claim involved, in quite valid, as is Streetwalker's remark about statistics, which of course can be displayed in a multitude of different ways.

    It would be interesting to try to find out whether the reported drop in crime round here (a predominantly rural/small market town/village region) has been caused because of increasing honestly (OK, unlikely!), better policing (hmm...) or criminals going out of the area for easier pickings in adjacent urban areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    OK, I'll accept that, although the figures I quoted from the Home Office website are supposed to be for all reported crime, not just attended-to crime. But your point about an increasing number of people not even bothering to report many forms of crime, unless there's an insurance claim involved, in quite valid, as is Streetwalker's remark about statistics, which of course can be displayed in a multitude of different ways.

    It would be interesting to try to find out whether the reported drop in crime round here (a predominantly rural/small market town/village region) has been caused because of increasing honestly (OK, unlikely!), better policing (hmm...) or criminals going out of the area for easier pickings in adjacent urban areas.
    To deal with the issue 'all reported crime, not just attended-to crime', do remember that unless you are given, and indeed should ask for, a crime number, then it my well not be recorded!

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    Good point Manrow. I agree that stats are unreliable, but sometimes what is published is as interesting as what is not. Perhaps the deeper issue is that scamming, robbing and helping yourself to whatever you fancy for free is pretty much an occupation option for many in the north. Perhaps the only one for some.

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    I have to agree that you can do anything you like with stats and the criteria that you use can be manipulated in many different ways. Many years ago I was responsible for compiling stats in a government department so I know of which I speak.

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    Stats mean nothing more often than not, because a lot of crimes are NOT reported. The victim has to stand in front of the accused in court, a grilling by the defence council and after all that, no action taken, more often as not, with the accused walking away from the court with their friends laughining at their victim, probably planning a revenge attack on their victim.

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    Re: Living with crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Lots2say View Post
    The area I call home has twice the national average of recorded crime in the personal violence category and 50% more sexual assaults. In fact all bar one area scores higher. We are fed stories of massive reductions overall since last year but it's hard to have faith in those figures. Can we really continue to blame unemployment for this situation? Or is it time to acknowledge that some folk are too far into the deviant lifestyle to be saved?
    Unemployment, absolute rubbish, the age old excuse by the "do-gooders"! Most criminals wouldn"t want a job anyway - WHY SHOULD THEY WHEN THEY ROB PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME! A few years ago I needed a job - sorted in five minutes down the local jobcenter; work out there if you want it. I know a very good cure for a defiant lifestyle, won"t stop it completely, but will reduce the stats, and non reported crimes: The penalties need to be made less attractive to these people. Everything from financial penalties to capital punishment being restored - THEN WATCH THOSE STATS DROP!

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