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    Hamas, Turkey to work to sue Israel

    Justice ministers of Hamas, Turkey, agree to work together to prosecute Israeli officers involved in deadly raid on Gaza flotilla. Meanwhile, Arab League chief to visit Strip next week.

    Hamas Justice Minister Faraj al-Ghoul spoke with his Turkish counterpart Sadullah Ergin over the phone on Wednesday, and the two decided at the end of the conversation to work together on the legal plane to file lawsuits against Israeli officers who took part in the raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla's Mavi Marmara ship last week.

    London-based al-Sharq al-Awsat reported that the two agreed on a series of legal measures to take against the Israeli officers.

    During their conversation, the Hamas minister said, "Extensive legal measures must be taken in order to operate against the occupation's commanders in the international courts."

    A statement published by the Hamas government on Wednesday said the Turkish justice minister had stressed that his country is determined to continue supporting and identifying with the residents of the Gaza Strip, and that Turkey is willing to pay the price that comes with this support.

    "We are certain that if all the Arab and Muslim countries stand side-by-side against the injustice, it will be terminated swiftly. This is a responsibility we inherited from our ancestors and it compels us to remove the unjust siege from Gaza," Ergin said.

    "Turkey is ready to cooperate to reveal Israel's outrageous crimes against humanity," he added.

    Ergin went on to say that his ministry would work in the frame of the United Nations to have the recommendations of the Goldstone Report implemented.

    "We must stay in contact to file legal claims with international courts and penalize the Israeli occupation for its recent crime," he said.

    The full story available from here : Hamas, Turkey to work to sue Israel - Israel News, Ynetnews

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    Perhaps Israel should, in turn, countersue Hamas for all the death and destruction resulting from the rocket attacks launched from Gaza.

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    Those Turks were lucky to be let off back to their country without being prosecuted and imprisoned.
    Ergodan is playing to the Islamists and their strength in Turkey is growing all the time.
    Ataturk would not approve, in fact he would be seething.

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    Re: Hamas, Turkey to work to sue Israel

    Oh look, the vicious murderers are pretending to be all legal and political again, how cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    Perhaps Israel should, in turn, countersue Hamas for all the death and destruction resulting from the rocket attacks launched from Gaza.
    Which in turn were started off because of the inhumane treatment that the Gaza Palestinians received at the hands of Israel during years of blockading, who are determined to claim ownership of the territory despite it never having been their land.

    According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, during the last 10 years 8,864 Israelis and 39,019 Palestinians have been injured, 1,072 Israelis and at least 6,348 Palestinians have been killed. Of those killed, 124 Israeli children have been killed by the Palestinians and 1,441 Palestinian children have been killed by the Israelis. Just thought I'd point out one of the imbalances which you, Barry and DC seem quite happy with......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    Which in turn were started off because of the inhumane treatment that the Gaza Palestinians received at the hands of Israel during years of blockading, who are determined to claim ownership of the territory despite it never having been their land.
    Hamas violence started well before the blockade. As I recall the blockade was implemented after Hamas' election, which essentially turned Gaza into an enemy state. Furthermore Israel claims no ownership over Gaza.

    According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, during the last 10 years 8,864 Israelis and 39,019 Palestinians have been injured, 1,072 Israelis and at least 6,348 Palestinians have been killed. Of those killed, 124 Israeli children have been killed by the Palestinians and 1,441 Palestinian children have been killed by the Israelis. Just thought I'd point out one of the imbalances which you, Barry and DC seem quite happy with......
    And how many civilians have died in Afghanistan and Iraq in the last ten years? The imbalance is logical because A: Israel has more weapons with more power (hence more weaponry being deployed against the Palestinians), B: Hamas uses Human shields with impunity, thereby increasing civilian casualties, C: Hamas and other terror groups are largely urban based, meaning more civilians in harms way, whereas Israel tries to keep it's own civilians out of harms way, as oppossed to Hamas which moves Palestinains into the way, and D: 'Civilian' is a fairly ambiguous term when talking about insurgent groups, Ahmed the baker 'civilian' may in fact fire rockets from soccer fields in his free time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC View Post
    Hamas violence started well before the blockade. As I recall the blockade was implemented after Hamas' election, which essentially turned Gaza into an enemy state. Furthermore Israel claims no ownership over Gaza.
    A slight but important correction - Hamas was formed in 1987 during the intifada after Israel's occupation of both the West Bank and Gaza. Israel remained in occupation in Gaza until 2005 and would dearly love to regain control of the territory.

    And how many civilians have died in Afghanistan and Iraq in the last ten years? The imbalance is logical because A: Israel has more weapons with more power (hence more weaponry being deployed against the Palestinians), B: Hamas uses Human shields with impunity, thereby increasing civilian casualties, C: Hamas and other terror groups are largely urban based, meaning more civilians in harms way, whereas Israel tries to keep it's own civilians out of harms way, as oppossed to Hamas which moves Palestinains into the way, and D: 'Civilian' is a fairly ambiguous term when talking about insurgent groups, Ahmed the baker 'civilian' may in fact fire rockets from soccer fields in his free time.
    The situation in Afghanistan and Iraq is rather a red herring...... Given that Gaza is a densely populated territory there's very little that those within Hamas who do attack Israel, which I'm not condoning in the slightest, can do to avoid having the 'human shield' label attached to them. But regardless of the rights and wrongs of what's happening now, the whole situation boils down to just one thing; since it was formed in 1947 Israel has constantly invaded the surrounding countries in order to try to gain more land, period.

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    Re: Hamas, Turkey to work to sue Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    A slight but important correction - Hamas was formed in 1987 during the intifada after Israel's occupation of both the West Bank and Gaza. Israel remained in occupation in Gaza until 2005 and would dearly love to regain control of the territory.
    Exactly, Hamas was waging war well before the blockade. But you have no evidence to say Israel wishes to recontrol Gaza.

    The situation in Afghanistan and Iraq is rather a red herring......
    How? Allied forces have killed thousands of civilians in their war on terror.
    Given that Gaza is a densely populated territory there's very little that those within Hamas who do attack Israel, which I'm not condoning in the slightest, can do to avoid having the 'human shield' label attached to them.
    There is a lot they could do. How about not hiding arms in Mosques? How about not using sports fields and playgrounds as rocket launch sites? How about not using apartment buildings (with the residents still living there) as spotting towers? Hamas deliberately put civilians in danger every single day by conducting their operations in and around civilian areas and buildings. They could build underground bunkers away from civilian areas to hide weapons, they could move their rocket sites to places away from civilians, as they could find new areas to spot from, yet it is in their interests to use human shields.

    But regardless of the rights and wrongs of what's happening now, the whole situation boils down to just one thing; since it was formed in 1947 Israel has constantly invaded the surrounding countries in order to try to gain more land, period.
    Only after being invaded itself. This war was started by the Arabs, whichever way you look at it.

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    EU to raise pressure on Israel over Gaza blockade

    * Ministers to seek immediate lifting of Gaza blockade
    * Blockade seen as counterproductive to Israeli security

    By Luke Baker
    Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:33am GMT

    BRUSSELS, June 11 (Reuters) - European Union foreign ministers will call on Israel next week to lift a three-year-old blockade of Gaza which they describe as "unacceptable and counterproductive" -- including to Israel's security.

    In a draft statement prepared for a meeting on Monday, the foreign ministers will condemn the use of violence during Israel's operation to stop a flotilla of aid ships reaching Gaza in which Israeli forces killed nine Turks.

    They will also call for a "credible, impartial and independent" investigation.

    The EU also says it is prepared to contribute to a new mechanism for getting goods in and out of Gaza, which would be based on more regular land access and possibly sea crossings to the coastal territory of 1.5 million people.

    "The policy of closure is unacceptable and counterproductive, including from the point of view of Israel's security," a copy of the draft seen by Reuters reads.

    "The EU calls for a change of policy leading to an unfettered flow of humanitarian aid, commercial goods and persons" into Gaza in line with a U.N. resolution.

    Israel has maintained a blockade on Gaza since mid-2007, when the Hamas militant movement took full control of the territory from its rival Fatah, a year after winning a parliamentary election.

    Israel says the measures are designed to prevent arms being smuggled to Hamas and other militant groups.

    CALL FOR POLICY CHANGE

    The EU is the biggest supplier of aid to the Palestinian territories, with member states and the executive European Commission providing about 600 million euros ($722.3 million) a year. The EU is pushing to free up trade with the territories.

    In an opinion piece published in European papers on Friday, the foreign ministers of France, Italy and Spain said Israel needed to turn its blockade policy on its head by opening the borders and blocking some listed items, rather than completely closing the borders and allowing in only a few goods.

    The full story available from here : EU to raise pressure on Israel over Gaza blockade | News by Country | Reuters

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    Re: Hamas, Turkey to work to sue Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    Which in turn were started off because of the inhumane treatment that the Gaza Palestinians received at the hands of Israel during years of blockading, who are determined to claim ownership of the territory despite it never having been their land.

    According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, during the last 10 years 8,864 Israelis and 39,019 Palestinians have been injured, 1,072 Israelis and at least 6,348 Palestinians have been killed. Of those killed, 124 Israeli children have been killed by the Palestinians and 1,441 Palestinian children have been killed by the Israelis. Just thought I'd point out one of the imbalances which you, Barry and DC seem quite happy with......
    Israel and Egypt both blockade arms to Gaza, both allow humanitarian aid. Also I apparently have to point out the obvious, war is not supposed to be balanced. I take no joy in death for anyone, If Hamas would abandon their sworn mission of the complete and total destruction of Israel, peace would have a chance.

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