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    Alexander Rahr: Russia is a part of Europe

    Here you will find an interview with Alexander Rahr, a well-known political scientist, the son of Russian emigrant, who has been living in Germany. In 2000 he published a book "The German in the Kremlin" about Vladimir Putin. Today he answers several questions about his vision of Russia and Russia's role in the modern Europe.
    An interview with a famous political scientist, Director of programs on Russia and CIS of German Society of Foreign Affairs Alexander Rahr. Part 1. | East+West Review Analytics Agency

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    Re: Alexander Rahr: Russia is a part of Europe

    Why have only two posters, one of them so-called "Russie1912", have started so very many pro-Russian discussion threads? Why would just one person start so many different discussions?

    Because "Russie1912" is PAID by PUTIN'S Government to do so! This so-called poster is a paid thug of Putin's. Why else would just one person start ten or more pro-Putin discussions? This is a deliberate mis-use of the Forums, by paid propagandists of Putin.

    He is probably posting under another name as well, you can't fool people, you're a paid thug of Putin.

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    Re: Alexander Rahr: Russia is a part of Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by firefox007 View Post
    Why have only two posters, one of them so-called "Russie1912", have started so very many pro-Russian discussion threads? Why would just one person start so many different discussions?

    Because "Russie1912" is PAID by PUTIN'S Government to do so! This so-called poster is a paid thug of Putin's. Why else would just one person start ten or more pro-Putin discussions? This is a deliberate mis-use of the Forums, by paid propagandists of Putin.

    He is probably posting under another name as well, you can't fool people, you're a paid thug of Putin.


    A polite warning this time, but can I remind you of the forum rules regarding making personal attacks on other members.

    Incidentally, you obviously know nothing about "Russie1912" otherwise you'd know it was a she, not a he, and is an independent political analyst.
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    Re: Alexander Rahr: Russia is a part of Europe

    Dear opponent,

    If I had been Putin's paid agent (which I'd dearly love to be in terms of financial stability, not because of my political platforms), I'd keep loading forums with dozens of pro-PUTIN (there is a big difference between pro-Russian and pro-PUTIN as you obviously do not see) threads. However, being not such a lucky person, I was cut off funding and have to earn my leaving by providing analytics in industrial sphere which is not that interesting for me, but helps to eat every day.
    With my deepest respect to your right to abuse unknown people,
    Russie1912

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    Re: Alexander Rahr: Russia is a part of Europe

    I would have no problem with RUSSIA joining Europe as an equal, but in order to do this I feel it should give up the annexed lands of Kaliningrad, Finland, Siberia and Sakhalin. These are not Russian lands and were taken by force during conflict, they are not Russian and should be given back to the rightful owners.
    Last edited by Jim Franklin; 05-03-2011 at 12:04 PM. Reason: spelling errors
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    Re: Alexander Rahr: Russia is a part of Europe

    I see your point. Russia's size is a big advantage only in terms of resources, but turns out a BIG disadvantage in many other aspects.
    But as to your point, do you want other countries, then, to return territories gained in different wars? And what date do you consider a starting point?

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    Russie, I see your point and when you think about things then clearly a start date should perhaps be considered, in this case it would need to be a practical one and perhaps should be either 1900 or 1800. The first would see Russia cede the territory taken from Finland in 1940/41 during their conflict, which drove semi-neutral Finland to side with Nazi Germany and the Island of Sakhalin, plus the other territories seized in 1945 in the closing days of WWII along the Mongolian and Chinese Borders, but it would see Russia hold on to Siberia, if one chose the 1800 date, then clearly Russia would need to consider it's position with respect to Siberia too as this is annexed land and anything East of the Urals is not Russia.

    In practical terms, I think Russia ceding control of Siberia, regardless of the natural resources in the territory, are very remote, partly because Siberia has no real political or other Infrastructure that could see it run it's own affairs in the immediate future, further, the majority of the population are actually ethnic Russians, courtesy of Stalin's moving about of the population and in terms of defense, only Russia could realistically provide it for such a large expanse on territory.

    My personal view of the future does see Russia as a full and active member of the European family as I would love to see Europe (the continent) working as one with a common future and goals. It would see Europe out compete the US and be able to compete directly with and challenge the might of the rising economies in China and to a lesser extent India. however there is a long way to go for this to be a reality, a complete and total reform of the EU as it stands and Russia needs to throw off this myth of being a super-power and acting like an international force that automatically opposes many suggestions put forward in the West. The old Soviet Yoke still looms large in Russian Politics and until this ghost of the past is totally expunged from the system, not a lot of progress can truly be made.
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    Re: Alexander Rahr: Russia is a part of Europe

    Rusia would need some serious political reforms before being considered for inclusion in the Fedralist Republic. The Copenhagen criteria 1993 lists the basic conditions a country must achieve before ASSENTION to the Union. (They realy are that far up their own backsides ).
    Included are The respect of principles of liberty , democracy and human rights . Though the Union fail misserably with this themeselves it is on of the criteria of membership as is frighteningly ,,The ability to take on the obligations of membership including adherence to the aims of political , economic and monetary union.

    On second thoughts Russia will fit in perfectly

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    Re: Alexander Rahr: Russia is a part of Europe

    SW...perfect end to your post

    However is all seriousness, this is why I strongly advocate a dismantling of the EU machinery and rebuilding it in a form that works on Europe's behalf as opposed to against the needs of the nations and the Continent...long and painful process I think though.
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    Re: Alexander Rahr: Russia is a part of Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Franklin View Post
    Russie, I see your point and when you think about things then clearly a start date should perhaps be considered, in this case it would need to be a practical one and perhaps should be either 1900 or 1800. The first would see Russia cede the territory taken from Finland in 1940/41 during their conflict, which drove semi-neutral Finland to side with Nazi Germany and the Island of Sakhalin, plus the other territories seized in 1945 in the closing days of WWII along the Mongolian and Chinese Borders, but it would see Russia hold on to Siberia, if one chose the 1800 date, then clearly Russia would need to consider it's position with respect to Siberia too as this is annexed land and anything East of the Urals is not Russia.
    Are you talking about Russia in isolation here Jim, or either Europe or the world as a whole?

    Whilst there's certainly a case to be made for subdividing a huge country like Russia into a number of smaller geographically/ethnically split regions, each with their own independent parliaments and economies, but still associated under one national umbrella, don't you think that doing so based on a specific date could cause more problems than it solves? For example if you picked 1900, all the countries which used to be part of Russia as at that date but which have subsequently become independent, such as Moldova, Belarus, Georgia, even parts of Poland to name a few, would have to be reabsorbed back again, otherwise you'd be accused of having one rule for some but not for another.

    Couldn't such a move also set an international precedent? Again using 1900 as the base time, Germany could reacquire parts of Poland and Russia; Turkey could annexe a substantial part of Greece, along with Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel and Egypt; Great Britain could say it wanted Eire back; Pakistan and Bangladesh could vanish as India reclaimed them... to name but a few.

    A political subdivision on it's own is one thing, but setting a specific date to roll back to is surely quite a different thing.
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