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    Is the "respectable" (inter)national institution known as TeleVision [Latin='to see across'] really interested in our information, education and entertainment?
    Or is there a subtle agenda for mind control going on which only a minority of reasonable, conscientious and rational humans are aware of, by a bunch of madmen/lunatics/idiots* and their organisational system of seeming/supposed plausibility who like to play God with our psychological makeup?
    It has been reported on TV that 'Video Games Are Killing Our Kids', for example, but that is nothing compared to the schizophrenic insanity I have beheld on The Box for as long as I can remember, not excluding advertising, which is also possibly a logical reason for much of the crime, violence and heresies that are plaguing our cultures today. A person is more likely (I'm considering the likelihood alone here) to copy off one of the fictionally repped characters on a TV-screen than a collection of coloured pixels on a computer monitor, and yet TV programmes are always condemning these things: mobile phones, the internet, video games to name just the potential technological evils that exist among us; while maintaining its own hypocritically false self-image as one that is human and faultless, by constantly trying to save face and excuse its dubious standards of etiquette and protocol.
    Do you agree that the power to think freely and be productive overrules that of this monument to mankind's depravity; and that the only reason TV gained authority, credibility and power over the world's population was because of the attention given it over the decades? Can anything be done to reverse the process and the progression of psychological tyranny that TV presents to us?
    Is it man versus machine now in our respective households, or is it really as innocent and harmless as a vehicle of moral conveyance that could be given away as a Christmas present to even a kid should be?
    Less than 1% of households now do not accomodate this cathode-tube of convenience, and it has gained a grip even in the public sector as well. The city centre where I come from has a huge outdoor one overlooking a certain high street but hardly anyone bothers to watch it there and it is a waste of money and space, but my greatest concern is what it is doing to influence our minds and our culture in our own homes.
    Surely it has not become the centrifugal force of gravity from which there is no emancipation, the reference-point for our modern lives, the very thing prophesied about by the writer of Revelation 13-has it?
    Thinking humans, it's over to you!!

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    Re: TeleVision: The Battle for our Minds, The War for our Souls!!

    Hello everyone!
    Since it appears that no-one is going to reply by sending any posts in, may I request if that is allowable that this forum be locked?
    I fear that I am the only one around here who does not regard or watches very little TV and as it is not my place to tell other people to stop watching it themselves I would rather not press the matter further. I have my own views (about TV) and I will maintain them even if I am alone in doing so! Thank you.
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    Re: TeleVision: The Battle for our Minds, The War for our Souls!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    not excluding advertising, which is also possibly a logical reason for much of the crime, violence and heresies that are plaguing our cultures today
    I agree with you on this point...
    advertising is to some extent designed to tap into our fears , wants , needs e.t.c
    but can you explain how you belive that it causes crime?

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    Re: TeleVision: The Battle for our Minds, The War for our Souls!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialistCara View Post
    I agree with you on this point...
    advertising is to some extent designed to tap into our fears , wants , needs e.t.c
    but can you explain how you belive that it causes crime?
    Bear with me for a moment and I will gladly do so...
    Firstly, there is no doubt that some of these maniacs only got the jobs they have because they understand psychology and have thought it worth their while to tamper with it under the guise of entertainment (as we take fewer ads seriously nowadays). They are trying to mould, nay manipulate, the thinking processes of semi-conscious, unvigilant TV viewers to think the way THEY want them to so that, having been inundated with the power of suggestion, repetition and subliminal messaging they will then ACT in the way the advertisers want them to, in synch as it were with the presentation of a philosophy that belongs to the advertiser which goes deeper than merely influencing the nation's spending habits. Now, taking that these adverts are made by nutters for nutters-Dramatics aside-I would say that what a nutter wants you to do is behave like him/reflect his image. TV is the Image of the Beast, therefore they want you to behave like the beast, and that is lawlessness/crime in its spirit and essence.
    Secondly, I believe the very criminality of perverting a person's way of thinking is a projection of the advertiser's mindset, and judging them by the words of their gobshite mouths I truly believe that these idiots are tyrants in the domestic home as well as the workplace and are inclined to commit those very crimes they think to mislead the public by: insanity, bellowing gobbledegook at the top of their voices, sexual crimes like adultery, doing a double flip upside down while drinking a pint of lager-all these things they no doubt practise at home as well as abroad. They are devils who want not just your money, but your very souls!!
    Thirdly, the psychology used in advertising was a result of some teaching by John B. Watson, a behaviourist who believed he could stimulate the right response to something that is good or evil by creating the association in someone's mind of a pleasant or frightening object with it. His intentions were noble ones, like warning kids that a snake is dangerous, some of which were considered dubious methods of awakening in his patient the ability to discern the moral value of something or its safety by association with a relevant accompaniment. These principles, I have read, have been adopted into TV advertising, but for more dubious methods which can include brainwashing, subjugating the senses and presenting confusion and madness as an artform to be appreciated.
    All these in my opinion lead to/effect a desired breakdown in the mechanics of a person's psyche and could result in a society eventually based upon such lack of morals or sanity-a schizophrenic one!
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    Re: TeleVision: The Battle for our Minds, The War for our Souls!!

    Very interesting...television could be used for any purpose then? for example a "brave new world" type of dystopia where everyone has the same likes and dislikes?

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    Re: TeleVision: The Battle for our Minds, The War for our Souls!!

    Thank you for this interesting thread.
    some points spring to mind.
    Firstly doesn't Television have a broad sectrum of programs from many view points and genre and thereby creates, even if its is sub conciously, a diverse set of views in society?
    Other mediums such as news papers are well known for setting out one ideoloical view point which they apply to the topics of the day, I agree this is copied by TV news programs which are partisan, especially in America and Itally where most of the state media is owned by Belasconni.
    As for causing crime, from what I have learnt, from the associated media, Computer games can inspire people to comit crime but these indiviuals are psychologically likely to comit crime any way. For example a computer game called Man Hunt which is really brutal gave the spark of insperation to a person who murdered his best friend, but he wanted to kill someone before that.
    I do agree there is a moral/political/ideological perspective to programs but i do not believe they are connected into a gaint conspiracy of throught control.

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    Also forgot to mention that societies where TVs aren't common, many poor ones in africa, asia and latin america have high crime rights due to socio ecomomic reason. TV may cause the spread of criminal culture through sensationalism and portreying crime as cool, but it does not have a significant effect compare to poverty of wealth, education and aspirations.

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    Re: TeleVision: The Battle for our Minds, The War for our Souls!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialistCara View Post
    Very interesting...television could be used for any purpose then? for example a "brave new world" type of dystopia where everyone has the same likes and dislikes?
    That is its intention, yes!
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    Re: TeleVision: The Battle for our Minds, The War for our Souls!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Edward Putland View Post
    Thank you for this interesting thread.
    some points spring to mind.
    Firstly doesn't Television have a broad sectrum of programs from many view points and genre and thereby creates, even if its is sub conciously, a diverse set of views in society?
    Other mediums such as news papers are well known for setting out one ideoloical view point which they apply to the topics of the day, I agree this is copied by TV news programs which are partisan, especially in America and Itally where most of the state media is owned by Belasconni. ...
    I do agree there is a moral/political/ideological perspective to programs but i do not believe they are connected into a gaint conspiracy of throught control.
    As soon as TV got a foothold in peoples' lives via their lounges and minds whilst seated before, it started to lead to an indolent beer-guzzling society of ne'er-do-wells. It also accompanied the increasing crime-rate and criminal activities with more and more detailed reflections of that crime-ridden society in which we were now living, instead of encouraging the opposite, such as sanity and purity of thought even though these were no longer considered cool. I believe it also went a long way toward encouraging the binge-drinking culture through its emphasis of the enjoyment of alcohol via advertising. Thankfully the smoking/cigarette culture is on the decline. TV is not as innocent as it sometimes seems: its honours are far outweighed by its taints, and this can be seen both in the lifestyle it reflects and the lifestyle it encourages.
    Reading maketh the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    As soon as TV got a foothold in peoples' lives via their lounges and minds whilst seated before, it started to lead to an indolent beer-guzzling society of ne'er-do-wells. It also accompanied the increasing crime-rate and criminal activities with more and more detailed reflections of that crime-ridden society in which we were now living, instead of encouraging the opposite, such as sanity and purity of thought even though these were no longer considered cool. I believe it also went a long way toward encouraging the binge-drinking culture through its emphasis of the enjoyment of alcohol via advertising. Thankfully the smoking/cigarette culture is on the decline. TV is not as innocent as it sometimes seems: its honours are far outweighed by its taints, and this can be seen both in the lifestyle it reflects and the lifestyle it encourages.
    Personally I think that's a very wide-sweeping generalisation in trying to link an effect with a presumed cause. Whilst no-one can really deny that the rise in TV entertainment has had an effect on people's behaviour and lifestyles by virtue of the ease with which it popularises and trivialises certain things, several major studies have shown that there doesn't seem to be any significant link between TV and say the increase in violence in society. The media generally, the teen/20s magazines and the 'celeb lifestyle' they promote in particular, have had a very significant effect, probably more than TV, here. I'd say that trying to link TV advertising with things like binge-drinking is looking for an excuse rather than seeking out the real cause; in this particular example it completely ignores the many other factors which are involved and it completely ignores the very important fact that many other countries which have cheap alcohol and plentiful TV don't have the same problem.

    Certainly TV isn't as innocent as it might seem, but I think most people are discriminatory enough not to associate some of the worst aspects of what we see on it with their own personal lives. To me the dumbing down and trivialisation of the content of many programmes is likely to have a more damaging effect in the long run, as TV when used properly can be a very beneficial educational tool. We need to look at all the factors in modern society rather than pick out one scapegoat.

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